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Adam=Good and apparently Eve=Evil?
Marky Mark:
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Thanks, Out of everything I have read Ray's theory seems more logical to me than any thing else I have read or heard. I just really don't see my purpose here on earth thats what I am searching for. I really feel like I am losing it. I feel delusional at this point because I am just not sure of anything anymore. My logical mind is saying no way and that I must be losing my mind. My spirit or what ever you want to call it will not let go. I can not quit thinking and reading about GOD and the BIBLE.
Sandyk
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Sandyk,an email to Ray,hope it helps. :)
--- Quote ---If God would save everyone, because that's His will, then what's the point of all this. I mean with what I have read I get the impression we are just here for ... I don't know ?
Why would God, who needs nothing and is self sufficient, create us, the human race, who He knows are going to do the things we do, then save us all for eternity? Why wouldn't He just make us for what He purposed in the end. I don't know if this makes sense?
Charles
[Ray Replies]
Dear Charles:
Of course your question makes sense--it is an excellent question. Too bad that the Christian Church does not answer it.
God is SPIRIT. God is interested ONLY in spiritual things. All this physical creation is not something that God takes great pleasure in--it is but a means to an end. Well, what does He want then? He wants CHILDREN! SPIRITUAL Sons and Daughters in HIS VERY IMAGE!
But, how does He get them? Create them? Yes, CREATE them. But how does He create them. Instantly? No. To be in the IMAGE of God means that we will have the very same CHARACTER AND LOVE of God. Character and Love cannot be created instantly; it can only be developed over a period of time under severe pressure and duress. And so God creates severe pressure and duress, which produces GODLY CHARACTER. Imagine creating "patience," INSTANTLY? Why the very thought is self-contradicting. Patience by its very nature means that something must be WAITED FOR even though it is desired NOW.
God knows what He is doing. Now then, there is a second part to all this. We ourselves would never ever really appreciate the qualities of character, virtue, and love, that we will possess if we did not have to "sweat blood" to get them. There is no virtue that you can name that is not the result of overcoming some form of evil. And so this physical, human, temporal existence is as beneficial for US, and it is to GOD.
Hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
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Well that is a good thing cause neither can I,and I would bet everyone else here at the forums also .;) 8)
Peace...Mark
daywalker:
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--- Quote from: Marky Mark on April 25, 2009, 01:30:34 PM ---Rodger, good to see you back in prime time. :)
Peace...Mark
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Mark,
Thanks, Out of everything I have read Ray's theory seems more logical to me than any thing else I have read or heard. I just really don't see my purpose here on earth thats what I am searching for. I really feel like I am losing it. I feel delusional at this point because I am just not sure of anything anymore. My logical mind is saying no way and that I must be losing my mind. My spirit or what ever you want to call it will not let go. I can not quit thinking and reading about GOD and the BIBLE.
Sandyk
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Hello Sandyk,
Believe me when I say that we all understand how you are feeling [though, I won't say "exactly" how you are feeling, as we are all individuals, and deal with things differently...] but as far as the confusion and frustration that comes with "unlearning" what the Church has taught us, and "re-learning" everything we thought we know, we here get it. And I believe it's safe to say that you don't have to worry about people casting judgment upon you here, as we are all aware of the dangers of doing so:
Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, lest you may be judged,
2 for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you.
Suzie already recommended reading/listening to Ray's Study "Destiny of Woman". I would second that. Also, would read the book of Esther in the Old Testament [which is what Ray covers].
It does seem [outwardly, at first glance] that God puts a 'shame' on women, but that couldn't be further from the Truth. But, just like a hidden treasure, the answer to this riddle must be searched for and dug out. Everything in this physical life has a spiritual 'counterpart'. There's a reason for everything that exists, and a reason why everything operates as it does.
But to counter some false teachings: Man does not have the "authority" over women, in that he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. God puts the husband in charge of his household, and therefore the husband is responsible for taking care of his household, as well as he is responsible for the actions of his household. That would obviously include his wife. The husband is responsible for the actions of his wife, and the rest of his household. But he does not have the "right" or "authority" over her to do harm toward her, or any wicked sins that some claim the man has over a woman!
Rather it's the opposite:
I Timothy 5:8 Now if anyone is not providing for his own, and especially his family, he has disowned the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever." [to be called "worse than an unbeliever" surely is the ultimate condemnation, I'd say]
Evil people love to twist the Scriptures to justify their actions. Those people will be dealt with accordingly.
I Corinthians 11:1 Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ."
2 Now I am applauding you that you remember all of mine, and are retaining the traditions according as I give them over to you."
3 Now I want you to be aware that the Head of every man is Christ, yet the head of the woman is the man, yet the Head of Christ is God."
Men do not have any authority over women, other than what Christ has over all of us. Husbands are to treat their wives the same way Christ does, with LOVE, HUMILITY, COMPASSION, MERCY. If we do not do this, then we will be held accountable.
I pray God will help clear this up for you. The last thing He wants is for you to feel unimportant. You are not.
Daywalker. ;D
Amrhrasach:
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--- Quote from: Sandyk on April 25, 2009, 01:39:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on April 25, 2009, 01:30:34 PM ---Rodger, good to see you back in prime time. :)
Peace...Mark
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Mark,
Thanks, Out of everything I have read Ray's theory seems more logical to me than any thing else I have read or heard. I just really don't see my purpose here on earth thats what I am searching for. I really feel like I am losing it. I feel delusional at this point because I am just not sure of anything anymore. My logical mind is saying no way and that I must be losing my mind. My spirit or what ever you want to call it will not let go. I can not quit thinking and reading about GOD and the BIBLE.
Sandyk
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SandyK, I understand your position. I would bet that there are a few others on this forum (and not on this forum but reading only and never posting that do also).
Patience.....patience......patience, SandyK.
You mentioned YOUR spirit, and/but then you said "will not let go". I (perhaps others) may questions who's spirit may be in question in your statement. It could be the "spirit" that you speak of is not your spirit but the Holy Spirit who will not let go. I'm uncertain your distance of time with BT and Ray's teachings, but, Ray himself says many times that the idols that we've become accustomed will be upset in the balance of learning "truth". Perhaps that is the growth spurt you are going through. Only God knows at this time. As Ray and many on this forum know (now) and believe, we all have our purpose. God's grandeur plan, you're included, as are all be-it they realize at this point or future sense. So, if you find yourself thinking of only God and his word don't think it so strange. I'm reminded of this verse:
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
SandyK, stay steady, stay focused, good ahead.
Best to you.
Gary
jassy:
Mark,
Thanks, Out of everything I have read Ray's theory seems more logical to me than any thing else I have read or heard. I just really don't see my purpose here on earth thats what I am searching for. I really feel like I am losing it. I feel delusional at this point because I am just not sure of anything anymore. My logical mind is saying no way and that I must be losing my mind. My spirit or what ever you want to call it will not let go. I can not quit thinking and reading about GOD and the BIBLE.
Sandyk
Hi Sandyk,
Dont know your situation, but do know you in a hard place at the moment. I suspect a lot of women have looked at those scriptures and grew horns at some stage in their lives.
You have two gems on this forum who answered you. Terry and Judy. Speak to them while you are in this place. Its women like them who pulled me through hard times. I have one ruby who has had seven children and her husband( who I love dearly) is a control freak. That gentle soul who by the way is looked at with contempt by a lot females for her submissiveness is a delight to me.
She knows that her man relies on her, without her he is lost. Had she tried to gain the upper hand or given up at any point that family would have imploded. Through her strength he was an outstanding father of six sons and a daughter.
My diamond in my collection is my sister, her husband left her for another woman at 33. She had two baby girls. At no point did I ever hear her run down her ex or men to her girls. She could of, times were very hard, but she did not. and those girls have happy marriages.
Why do think the serpent first approached Eve? Because she was weaker and more prone to doing evil? No, I dont think so. To destroy the family unit and the fabric of society you first have to subvert mans helpmate. You have no idea how powerfull your influence as a woman actually is. We are the stabilising factor, the quiet strength, the moral compass of children.
To whom much is given, much is expected and God expects a lot from his daughters. Dont listen to the media, who portray women as sexual predators, Godzillas who are smarter, stronger and meaner in the workplace or conversely, victims who get beaten down.
You are important to His plan, because you are here on earth. A woman does not get medals, accolades and limelight on earth for being a good wife, daughter, mother,sister or friend. But if she does all these things well, using scriptural guidelines,society is healthy and strong.
Think about it, If you were trying to destroy mankind, would not women be your first target?
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Ricky:
Hello Sandyk, I can only see this one way. Adam was around for a long time with God by himself. God loved Adam so much that He gave him a gift, the most precious gift in all of creation, You, a women. Try to realized who and what you really are and mean to God and man. If men were not men, women would have no use for them.
Ricky
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