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God Judge Jesus?
daywalker:
--- Quote from: larissa4676 on May 05, 2009, 12:50:06 AM ---What amazing, amazing truths. Thanks Marques and Kat.
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I second that. Great posts.
In order for someone to be "judged" there must be something that person did wrong, hence he/she needs "judgment" [i.e. Correction]. Since Christ "knew no sin", there's nothing in/about Him that needs "judging--correcting".
Judging Jesus would be like judging the Father Himself. You cannot "correct" PERFECTION. ;D
- Daywalker. 8)
larissa4676:
I really, really enjoy this learning. I'm sitting here with a friend studying and I have another question. It's off subject, but here it is. What do the scriptures below mean? (They are from the book of Jude).
6. And the angels who did not guard their head, except left their abode, He keeps under guard in the netherworld,* in the dark abyss until the great Day of Judgment.
7. Thus also Sodom and Gomorrah, and the towns around them, where they, in like manner, fornicated and went after other flesh, are consecrated under the same universal fire, as they deserve the Judgment.
8. Similarly also those who lust in their dreams for the defilement of the flesh, reject the Lordship and blaspheme the Glory.
9. Michael, then, the head of the angels, who as he spoke to the devil, argued on behalf of the body of Moses, that the devil dare not hold down his body under condemnation of blasphemy, except Michael told him, "The Lord shall rebuke you!"*
10. Those, then, that blaspheme against what they know not, who treat the natural phenomena like dumb creatures, are then destroyed by that [same fire.]
11. Woe to them that followed the path of Caine, and those that followed the deception of Balaam by accepting the recompense of the reluctant laborer, and those that went to oblivion by following the stubbornness of Korah.
As much as you can explain would be nice, but the meaning of 9 & 10 are what I'm trying to get clearer understanding on.
aqrinc:
Hi Larissa,
What translation are you reading from, this one makes it very easy to read and understand.
Jud 1: 5-11 (GNB)
5 For even though you know all this, I want to remind you of how the Lord once rescued the people of Israel from Egypt, but afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 Remember the angels who did not stay within the limits of their proper authority, but abandoned their own dwelling place: they are bound with eternal chains in the darkness below, where God is keeping them for that great Day on which they will be condemned. (Judged)
7 Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, and the nearby towns, whose people acted as those angels did and indulged in sexual immorality and perversion: they suffer the punishment of eternal fire as a plain warning to all.
8 In the same way also, these people have visions which make them sin against their own bodies; they despise God's authority and insult the glorious beings above.
9 Not even the chief angel Michael did this. In his quarrel with the Devil, when they argued about who would have the body of Moses, Michael did not dare condemn the Devil with insulting words, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
10 But these people attack with insults anything they do not understand; and those things that they know by instinct, like wild animals, are the very things that destroy them.
11 How terrible for them! They have followed the way that Cain took. For the sake of money they have given themselves over to the error that Balaam committed. They have rebelled as Korah rebelled, and like him they are destroyed.
I added the CLV translation for the Angels being held in chains to show the
Jud 1: 5-6 (CLV)
5 Now I am intending to remind you, you who once are aware of all, that the Lord, when saving the people out of the land of Egypt, secondly destroys those who believe not."
6 Besides, messengers who keep not their own sovereignty, but leave their own habitation, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day."
If you have E-sword loaded, look for Scriptural witnesses to any of the important points you need clarification with. otherwise just post another question and i am sure someone can help with it.
george. :)
larissa4676:
~Beloved, in some ways you are correct. Daily (even minute by minute) I ask myself the Lord why me? There are things that I can plainly see in the Scriptures that others don't. I wonder why this is. Why I can see what others do not. I actually thought I wanted to go to school to pastor last year about this time. The Lord said NO. I WILL TEACH YOU. But I thought to myself "I have the FREE schooling being offered to me. The Lord said NO. I WILL TEACH YOU. I surrendered to that July 24, 2008. Since then its been a battle between flesh and spirit. The point is my heart is broken for the thousands, millions, of folks around me that do not understand. I've asked the Lord repeatedly what I'm supposed to do with what He's teaching me. I still don't have an answer. One part of me wants to shout it from the roof tops, another says no one will believe, another says its pride so keep silent, another says continue to learn in silence and God will reveal the purpose in His time. I know as I type debating scripture is foolish, but in the moment sometimes I forget.
Thank you all for the information that you have supplied. I will study.
~George I was reading that scripture from an Aramaic text that particular day. I have esword. I'll checking when I'm home as I am actually visiting friends in another state and don't have my study tools available. Verse 9 and 10 are the ones that I really have questions about. Really you can include 8 as well. This is what I thought...
8. These foolish people have depraved minds and their own thoughts cause them to commit sexual sins against their own bodies. They insult God and glorious beings from heaven.
9. Even Michael (who is a chief glorious being (angel)) did not insult Satan by bringing bad accusations against him as he (Michael) had better understanding of the purpose which the one whom we know as Satan serves. Michael did not dare condemn the devil (like these foolish ones yelling "Satan your.... or I command you devil to... or devil you must come out cause I say so...etc). Michael instead used THE LORD's rebuke to "deal" with Satan.
10. But these foolish people attack what they don't understand. (As Cain did not understand why Abel's offering was accepted and his was not (which caused him to kill Able)).
These are just my thoughts. I have not confirmed the above, for the reasons stated above.
Thank you all again for your guidance.
~Kat and everyone else. I appreciate you taking the time to do what you do (did).
Thank you all.
Larissa
Astrapho:
--- Quote from: larissa4676 on May 07, 2009, 12:54:45 AM ---Oh my! I posted some of the truths I've learned about the trinity and tithing, eternal hell fire or lack thereof. It official...they think I'm nuts. Yippiieee! But on a more serious note. I'm having a hard time understanding the second death. I think I just need a refresher on this, 'cause its been awhile. Either way, I'll do some study tonight. I do have a question though. When you all pull up these links of Rays material...where are you getting if from? Can I see it as well? I'm sure I over look it if its here. Directions would be great. Thanks. And thanks for the responsed everyone.
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LOL yes, yipiieeee!! ;D They think I'm nuts too, but that's it, that's all they have, that's all they can say: "You're nuts." Beyond that... ;D ;D ;D ;D
--- Quote ---~Beloved, in some ways you are correct. Daily (even minute by minute) I ask myself the Lord why me? There are things that I can plainly see in the Scriptures that others don't. I wonder why this is. Why I can see what others do not. I actually thought I wanted to go to school to pastor last year about this time. The Lord said NO. I WILL TEACH YOU. But I thought to myself "I have the FREE schooling being offered to me. The Lord said NO. I WILL TEACH YOU. I surrendered to that July 24, 2008. Since then its been a battle between flesh and spirit. The point is my heart is broken for the thousands, millions, of folks around me that do not understand. I've asked the Lord repeatedly what I'm supposed to do with what He's teaching me. I still don't have an answer. One part of me wants to shout it from the roof tops, another says no one will believe, another says its pride so keep silent, another says continue to learn in silence and God will reveal the purpose in His time. I know as I type debating scripture is foolish, but in the moment sometimes I forget.
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Exactly how I'm feeling. Guess we'll just have to have faith in the Lord that... He knows what He's doing, lol ;D. Whatever the future holds, it's in God's complete control. :) But for now, yep, let's keep studying! :D
EDIT: Oh, I can't believe I forgot my intention for originally coming onto this topic to post... Thanks guys for the scriptures, I was pretty much wondering the same stuff. ;D
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