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God Judge Jesus?
larissa4676:
Oh my! I posted some of the truths I've learned about the trinity and tithing, eternal hell fire or lack thereof. It official...they think I'm nuts. Yippiieee! But on a more serious note. I'm having a hard time understanding the second death. I think I just need a refresher on this, 'cause its been awhile. Either way, I'll do some study tonight. I do have a question though. When you all pull up these links of Rays material...where are you getting if from? Can I see it as well? I'm sure I over look it if its here. Directions would be great. Thanks. And thanks for the responsed everyone.
aqrinc:
Hi Larissa,
Here is the best forum places for information: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/board,12.0.html
This is the BT website for a whole lot more: http://bibletruths.com/
Hope those 2 get you started.
george :).
Kat:
Hi larissa,
For most of my searches I use Google Advanced Search, use Bible-truths.com for the domain.
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en
Or you can just type it in the Google search box [ "second death" site:Bible-truths.com ], use parentheses to find the exact phrase.
When I get to the article I use the page search [keys Ctrl + F] to find where it is mentioned in the article.
I also use the 'Categorized list of Ray's emails' to find a subject.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3108.0.html
--- Quote ---I'm having a hard time understanding the second death. I think I just need a refresher on this, 'cause its been awhile.
--- End quote ---
Here is an excerpt from the article no. 16. E 'Hades and the Second Death.'
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm ------------------
The lake of fire/second death is how God deals with the sins of humanity. Jesus died for the sins of all humanity (I John 2:2). But what it seems the whole Christian world is failing to see, understand, and experience, is GETTING THE SIN OUT OF THE SINNER. How spiritually blind can we be. After Jesus has died for the sins of the world, the world continues to sin. Surely we can see from the Scriptures that God wants to get the sin out of His Elect.
If Jesus died to save sinners, is He going to save only some sinners? His chosen Elect only? By saving a few chosen elect sinners, does that make Jesus Christ, "The Saviour OF THE WORLD" (I John 4:14)? God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ commissioned Jesus "TO BE the Saviour of the world." Will Jesus be justified by His Father if He saves only a FEW?
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened, and another book was opened which is the books of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their WORKS" (Rev. 20:12).
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).
When the "dead... stand," we are being presented with a resurrection from the dead. For this is exactly what resurrection means (anastasis in Greek means, "to stand up again"--See Strong's #386 translated 'resurrection'). It is in resurrection that "the dead... stand" before God. And yes, since we know Revelation is a book of spiritual symbols, we would be correct in stating that it is "the SPIRITUALLY dead" who are standing before God. Aspects of this Judgment:
[1] "the dead, small and great stand [resurrected] before God"
[2] they are judged according to the books, according to their works
[3] "the sea [the sea of wicked humanity] give up its [spiritually] dead"
[4] this includes "every man" [Gk: 'each one or 'every one' or 'every person']
[5] "death [the cause] and hell [the realm] are cast into the lake of fire"
[6] and those "not found in the Book of Life were cast into the Lake of Fire"
[7] this "Lake of Fire is the Second Death"
The Christian orthodox teaching on the "Last Judgment" is a pagan fabrication which has been deceiving Christians by the billions for two thousands years. We will now look closer at just what this lake of fire/second death is all about.
As we have said many times, there is Judgment for both the chosen Elect now and the unbelieving wicked in the resurrection to Judgment:
"For if we would judge ourselves [now, in this life], we should not be judged [with the world later]. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned [judged] with the world [at the resurrection to Judgment]" (I Cor. 11:31-32).
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" (I Pet. 4:17-18).
Well we see where they appear in Paul's statement that they will be "...condemned [judged] with the world."
And this is at the Great White Throne Judgment in the resurrection to Judgment, in the lake of fire/second death.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Beloved:
In your topic you said the following
I have some questions and I'm not sure where I can find what I call "quick answers". You see, normally if I have a question I just find Ray's take on it, study what I find that Ray says, and so on. This is why I call it quick. He alreadys has the references laid out for us.
Anyway... A guy was trying to tell me the other day that God judged Jesus. Is this correct? I couldn't find any scriptures on that by typing the two words 'judge" (and it's variations) and Jesus. The point was he said that Jesus died because he was judged by God. However, I said that Jesus died because he who knew no sin became sin (2 Cor 5:21) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).
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I am glad that others have supplied some informations for you but to me it sounds like you are looking to debate and win this argument. You need take this time and STUDY For YourSELF...
Point One
...when the guy made those statesment....MAKE HIM SHOW YOU THE SCRIPTURES to support what he said...a scripture that the Father judged the son
Point Two
Ray would tell you himslef that he would not help you answer these question so you can convince anyone....You need to convince yourself. If they are deaf to the word God has them there.
Point Three
It is by your life and your own inderstanding of God's Word that will enable you to be able to engage in these types of discussions. This has nothing with you. God will bring those who have ears to you. Our job is to always be prepapred. It is only the mature that can navigate using the car.
Point Four
read this
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
listen to this
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Bible%20Study%2002-03-08.mp3
your question is answered in many ways , here is one topic
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9365.0.html
We are all (including moi) quick to think we have the answer to these questions
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Instead we wait
(Eph 3:17) That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
(Eph 3:18) May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height[/b];
(Eph 3:19) And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.
beloved
aqrinc:
Larissa,
Just a few minutes ago, i was made to explain why we have this hope. This is so important why we must be prepared at anytime to stand up and speak when told to do so By GOD. Almost everyone has known or heard these Scriptures from childhood; there is a reason for this that goes beyind knowledge.
These are bedrock Scriptures that even a very modestly learned person can learn and embrace. None can contradict these Scriptures with false everlasting punishment or other decietful practices without blatantly lying.
Num 23:19 (MKJV)
God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that He should repent. Has He said, and shall He not do it? Or has He spoken, and shall He not make it good?
Num 23:20 (MKJV)
Behold, I have received word to bless. And He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.
Joh 3:16 (CLV)
For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian."
Joh 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him may not perish, but have life eternal. (eonian)
Joh 3:17 (ASV)
For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.
Joh 3:17 (GNB)
For God did not send his Son into the world to be its judge, but to be its savior.
2Co 5:20 (CLV)
For Christ, then, are we ambassadors, as of God entreating through us. We are beseeching for Christ's sake, "Be conciliated to God!"
2Co 5:21
For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him."
2Co 5:20 (Living Oracles NT)
We, therefore, execute the office of ambassadors for Christ, as of God beseeching you by us; we pray you, in behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21
For he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us; that we might become the justified of God, by him.
george. ;D
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