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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Iraq
gmik:
Thanks Sorin.
Zander, Jesus Christ and Paul never taught or believed that we should do the crusades or kill people for God or even shoot your gospel-gun at anyone. There is no way you can compare Islam (Mohammed) to Jesus. Maybe with medieval Catholic Churchianity but not with true Christianity.
I think we were to liberate a people from tyranny. Has it been so long that you have forgotten the Blitz. Had it not been for the yanks you all would be speaking German. Did you love Hitler??? How do we actually show how we LOVE our enemies?? There is really no way to show that. We just say it in our minds or tell someone or write on a forum, OH, I love my enemies. What does that mean?? How did Jesus show love to the pharasees, and Agrippa, and chief priests??
I think a better application of showing love to enemies is in our own neighborhood or with our own families. With people the Lord puts in our path. How about showing love on this forum to people with whom you disagree. How about Ray & Mike showing love to one another. How come Ray thinks it is ok to be rude to people????
Yes. Love is the better way. Our fruit will show. But I don't think it is applicable in goverments and kingdoms. I will try to show love to Osama if he shows up on my doorstep ready to saw my head off, and ask the Lord to forgive him. but from afar, I will be praying for our soldiers and that they find him. I will also try and forgive and love anyone that barges into my home to harm me, but I will also be protecting myself.
ARRRGGGG! Hope I got that all out of my system.
:roll: Love you guys!!
zander:
HI mate
Sure, Christ never taught people to crusade against one another. But thats what has happened. I'm not comparing Islam to Jesus. I am comparing religion to religion. religion is a man made nightmare. Doctrine after doctrine of falseness. Pastors calling for the bombing of Iran, Osama calling for suicide bombers. Thats religion. Theyre false. Neither has anyting to do with love.
Hitler and Iraq are miles apart. Hitler had an army of people that everyone KNEW wanted to take over Europe (for the record thats exectly what is happening now anyway, with the EU, we are now part of the beaurcracy that Hitler wanted anyway).
Iraq had NO WMD and US and UK wanted "regime change" which is illegal. You cant just throw someone out of their country when they are of no threat. Hitler was a REAL threat.
SandyFla:
John 18:36 says:
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Jesus never said war is wrong. In fact, the Old Testament is filled with God commanding people to kill:
* And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them (Deuteronomy 7:2).
* But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people (Deuteronomy 13:9).
* But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee (Deuteronomy 20:17).
* The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them (Deut. 33:27).
* Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you (Joshua 7:12).
* For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai (Joshua 8:26).
* And they answered Joshua, and said, Because it was certainly told thy servants, how that the LORD thy God commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you, therefore we were sore afraid of our lives because of you, and have done this thing (Joshua 9:24).
* And all the spoil of these cities, and the cattle, the children of Israel took for a prey unto themselves; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, neither left they any to breathe (Joshua 11:14).
* For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses (Joshua 11:20).
I could go on, but you get the picture.
Shortly before Jesus was crucified, He gave His disciples this admonition:
"But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"' (Luke 22:36).
The only use for a sword is to kill. Why would Jesus tell them to buy a sword if He didn't intend for them to use it?
Conclusion: It's fine to turn the other cheek, but there are times when military might and self-defense require us to kill another person. The command "Thou shalt not kill" is not an end-all; otherwise, God contradicted Himself many times when He told His people to kill and destroy their enemies.
Sandy
zander:
The sword can also be used as a symbol for impact, like God's word. Also, many OT rules are no longer valid. Tithing for example, growing beards, etc.
mannonthecross:
--- Quote ---Hitler and Iraq are miles apart. Hitler had an army of people that everyone KNEW wanted to take over Europe (for the record thats exectly what is happening now anyway, with the EU, we are now part of the beaurcracy that Hitler wanted anyway).
--- End quote ---
History, such as World War II, teaches repeatedly that the longer we waited to deal with rogue and ambitious dictators the more costly it would have been (Although now costly is an understatement). Hitler could have been stopped a number of times at a probable cost of just a few thousand lives (which I do not say lightly) instead of the tens of millions it ultimately cost to stop him.
--- Quote ---Iraq had NO WMD and US and UK wanted "regime change" which is illegal. You cant just throw someone out of their country when they are of no threat. Hitler was a REAL threat.
--- End quote ---
Zander, my brother, with all due respect, do you REALLY BELIEVE there were no WMDS? :shock: Why? Because the newspapers & the news media say so? Do you really believe that Saddam did not move them out of the country to say....oh, I don't know....Syria?! The advanced advertising of the "Shock & Awe" campaign didn't give them too much time to move things around-I speak as a fool!
With weapons of mass destruction and modern technology, Saddam could have done in minutes what it took Hitler years to do.
Do you really believe that Saddam was no threat? Are you serious? :?
Iraq is harboring terrorists, terrorist training bases, and is in league with Al Queda and other terrorist organizations that are enemies of the United States, making the Saddam regime (and those who still support him) a threat to possibly even more devastating attacks on the United States.
Did you not read my post on what is happening over here at the Canadian border?
How do you suppose Hitler got as far as he did? Because no one stopped him at the get go! Hindsight is always 20-20.
Anyway Zander, Peace & Blessings :)
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