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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Iraq
Sorin:
--- Quote from: zander ---The sword can also be used as a symbol for impact, like God's word. Also, many OT rules are no longer valid. Tithing for example, growing beards, etc.
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Growing beards, that's one of the most ridiculous from the OT. :lol:
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: zander ---HI mate
Sure, Christ never taught people to crusade against one another. But thats what has happened. I'm not comparing Islam to Jesus. I am comparing religion to religion. religion is a man made nightmare. Doctrine after doctrine of falseness. Pastors calling for the bombing of Iran, Osama calling for suicide bombers. Thats religion. Theyre false. Neither has anyting to do with love.
Hitler and Iraq are miles apart. Hitler had an army of people that everyone KNEW wanted to take over Europe (for the record thats exectly what is happening now anyway, with the EU, we are now part of the beaurcracy that Hitler wanted anyway).
Iraq had NO WMD and US and UK wanted "regime change" which is illegal. You cant just throw someone out of their country when they are of no threat. Hitler was a REAL threat.
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Zander, why the continued anger against what God and Father of Jesus Christ has willed to happen.
All of this is for us to learn from and apply in our daily lives. No one here on earth is perfect. We are all learning, some faster than others; however, this is God's will and no other.
When you compare Islam against Christianity you are in reality comparing God against God. This you cannot do my friend.
With Love,
YellowStone
mannonthecross:
--- Quote from: SandyFla ---John 18:36 says:
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Jesus never said war is wrong. In fact, the Old Testament is filled with God commanding people to kill:
* And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them (Deuteronomy 7:2).
* But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people (Deuteronomy 13:9).
* But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee (Deuteronomy 20:17).
* The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them (Deut. 33:27).
* Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you (Joshua 7:12).
* For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai (Joshua 8:26).
* And they answered Joshua, and said, Because it was certainly told thy servants, how that the LORD thy God commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you, therefore we were sore afraid of our lives because of you, and have done this thing (Joshua 9:24).
* And all the spoil of these cities, and the cattle, the children of Israel took for a prey unto themselves; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, neither left they any to breathe (Joshua 11:14).
* For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses (Joshua 11:20).
I could go on, but you get the picture.
Shortly before Jesus was crucified, He gave His disciples this admonition:
"But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"' (Luke 22:36).
The only use for a sword is to kill. Why would Jesus tell them to buy a sword if He didn't intend for them to use it?
Conclusion: It's fine to turn the other cheek, but there are times when military might and self-defense require us to kill another person. The command "Thou shalt not kill" is not an end-all; otherwise, God contradicted Himself many times when He told His people to kill and destroy their enemies.
Sandy
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Sandy,
Most Excellent!
SandyFla:
--- Quote from: zander ---The sword can also be used as a symbol for impact, like God's word. Also, many OT rules are no longer valid. Tithing for example, growing beards, etc.
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Do you think Jesus was referring to a symbolic sword in that passage? I don't. I think He was telling His disciples to prepare to defend themselves, if need be, just like He said if His kingdom were of this world, then His disciples would have fought.
Those OT verses I quoted of God telling His people to kill and destroy had nothing to do with OT rules such as tithing and growing beards. He told them--in no uncertain terms at specific locations and points in time--to kill specific groups of people.
Hebrews 13:8 says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. Jesus is God. If Jesus never changes, neither does God.
Andy_MI:
WWJB
(Who Would Jesus Bomb?)
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