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Marlene:
You are such a case Musicman. LOL
meee:
Amen!
Craig, George and Marlene.
meee
Marlene:
Jacobsladder, This is my understanding, also. Yes, we still sin. We still have things to overcome. But, sin will not rule our life. But, to out right plan evil aganist someone and know it is wrong is disregarding God and to those involved. So, I belive you understand that right. Rayhas a paper talking about that somewhere and I cannot remember where. Not, strictly on that verse I don't think. But, how we still sin and have things to overcome. But, to plan it out, sounds like that is willfully to me. We all like to sin but once shown our sin we should be quick to repent. I hate my sins. I sure do not want to let God down. If, I do I will face his judgement and it will not be pretty. I believe we have to repent.
In His Love,
Marlene
daywalker:
I started an online "debate" a few weeks ago with a Christian. [technically it wasn't a debate, I made a few comments on his "teachings" w/ some "out of context" Scriptures :D] But it wasn't because I was hoping to "change" him. I just wanted to see how many times he would contradict himself and contradict the Scriptures. [I'd tell you but I stopped counting around 80...] Also, I was curious to see what Scriptures he'd try to use "in context" to support his theories.
Honestly, I shouldn't have done it though. I'm trying to follow Ray's advice to "leave them alone", but sometimes I just open my mouth... I'm working on it. :-[
Anyways, good post.
- Daywalker. 8)
indianabob:
Great post Craig. Well said and helpful.
Humbly stated and yet authoritative, as I perceived it.
Specially for planting a seed that we may never see grow. But God knows.
I like the example of Paul. So intelligent and educated in scripture and yet "kicking against the goads (stings)" as Jesus told him.
And yet striving his whole lifetime to bring into subjection his human, rebellious spirit; with much success as Jesus worked through him.
Thank you for your candor and your love. Bob
--- Quote from: Craig on May 13, 2009, 01:08:29 PM ---This is addressed to anyone who wishes to debate topics with others.
Does it ever work? Have you ever changed someones mind? Have you had your mind changed? Debate is an effort in futility. There is so much more to do with our time, we can study, or more importantly strive to live a life of Christ in us. If we became that type of example there would be very little to debate.
I'm as bad as anyone, why do we do it? Is it to show our superior understanding? Is it because we have our own doubts and want others to agree with us to fulfill our own needs? I find as I become older the best thing to do is present scripture and Ray's teaching and leave it at that. That is planting a seed. Let God make it germinate and provide the nourishment, that is not our job.
How 'bout the forum. Why do we not allow teaching? Because it is always open to debate, I say you are wrong and then you want me to prove why you are wrong and so it goes. It is all very tiresome. We are brought here by the scriptures and the knowledge conveyed to Ray, we should mostly be in agreement, if you disagree only Ray can or should defend his writings. When the time comes when Ray can no longer answer for himself perhaps God will show the way, but maybe not, it is all of Him. If I took a tenth of the knowledge I've learned here and let its message live in me, it would take all of my lifetime to even begin. Why do we rush things so much, why can't we be content to let God's knowledge seep into us. Remember it took Paul many years to begin his ministry. Many years of learning but more importantly many years of dieing to self.
A member recently stated "but what will guarantee to bring in new donations other then new Inspired topics" Whaaaat? This ministry has never been about money, God has controlled where it is and where it will go. Nobody had ever taken a nickel of salary for their time or commitment, not even Ray. It runs on a shoestring and yet here you are, remember God is in charge, not your money. If new "Inspired topics" is what is needed to keep the ministry afloat, then I say let'r sink. I have never yet found topics from any other teachers that has brought the peace or spirit of truth found in Ray's writings. I find many interesting topics but none gives me the settled feeling I get with Ray's writings. I am not saying there are not other inspired teachers, if there are then God will lead me to them if it is His will, and the peace of spirit will be there if it is true.
Craig
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