The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?

[Dennis Vogel]

I used no scriptures as we are not supposed to teach in this forum.

That's not true so go ahead and prove your points using the scriptures.

And please do me a favor and not post pages of scriptures. You should be able to quote just a few scriptures to prove each point.

[Dennis Vogel]

Such attacks are reasons why Kati, Moses etc. left the forum, as i was told by them. 

And by what method did Kati, Moses, etc. convey this information to you?

How and when did they contact you and tell you these things?

Are you in constant contact with them and are you now speaking for them?

[John from Kentucky]

Seaofglass,
"Do you even know who Bill Cooper was???"
[/quote]

Bill Cooper?   Neeeeeeeeeeever heard of him.

Did an internet search.  He was a conspiracy nut who died in a shootout with police.

So was that guy someone you have taken your deep thoughts and beliefs from?

Really?

[Prune Soleiado]

« "You are a king, then!" said Pilate.
Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." 
"What is truth?" retorted Pilate. With this HE WENT OUT AGAIN to the Jews gathered there » (John 18:37-38)
DON'T GO OUT to the world, don't trust no men, just believe in God through Christ, He provides answers, always.

[Dennis Vogel]

« "You are a king, then!" said Pilate.
Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
"What is truth?" retorted Pilate. With this HE WENT OUT AGAIN to the Jews gathered there » (John 18:37-38)
DON'T GO OUT to the world, don't trust no men, just believe in God through Christ, He provides answers, always.

Sorry, I'm not sure what post you are referring to?

[Prune Soleiado]

Sorry, I was indeed not clear enough😅
I was referring to the mention of Bill Cooper.
Whatever happened to that poor man, I only trust in God's Word of Truth, not humans'.

[Wanda]

Is this a meeting of minds?
I remember Ray talking about the subject (to meet) meeting.Can someone explain this
or point me to the teaching. Thankyou and God Bless You. ❤️ Pamela

Hi Pamela,

I hope I'm understanding your question.

I see this as a realm of complete agreement in truth and unity in Christ.

Psalm 85:10

10   Lovingkindness and 1truth have met together;

Righteousness and peace have kissed each other

Psalms 100:5

For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.  

[Wanda]

Seaofglass

Seeing your comment was directed to Dennis, I thought carefully about replying. However,  by  implicating other members of this forum by name, in substantiating your position, I thought it fair to say how appalling your actions truly are. 

You are acussing someone else of attacking you unfairly and not having a spirit of love,  when you have so carelessly and selfishly defamed other members,  in a hurtfull and unloving way.

How can you justify such a thing?

If you don't possess enough spiritual humility to communicate in an open forum, or at least this one,  then perhaps you shouldn't.

Micah 6:8

8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

[ML]

Alright, not wanting do address anyone particular, I am just going to quote this here, and leave it at that.

1 Corinthians 13
1If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling;
2and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing;
3and if I give away to feed others all my goods, and if I give up my body that I may be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing.
4The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up,
5doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil,
6rejoiceth not over the unrighteousness, and rejoiceth with the truth;
7all things it beareth, all it believeth, all it hopeth, all it endureth.
8The love doth never fail; and whether [there be] prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;
9for in part we know, and in part we prophecy;
10and when that which is perfect may come, then that which [is] in part shall become useless.
11When I was a babe, as a babe I was speaking, as a babe I was thinking, as a babe I was reasoning, and when I have become a man, I have made useless the things of the babe;
12for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known;
13and now there doth remain faith, hope, love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.

John 15
12'This is my command, that ye love one another, according as I did love you

Ephesians 4
31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil-speaking, be put away from you, with all malice,
32and become one to another kind, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, according as also God in Christ did forgive you.

[John from Kentucky]

Alright, not wanting do address anyone particular, I am just going to quote this here, and leave it at that.

1 Corinthians 13
1If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling;
2and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing;
3and if I give away to feed others all my goods, and if I give up my body that I may be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing.
4The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up,
5doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil,
6rejoiceth not over the unrighteousness, and rejoiceth with the truth;
7all things it beareth, all it believeth, all it hopeth, all it endureth.
8The love doth never fail; and whether [there be] prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;
9for in part we know, and in part we prophecy;
10and when that which is perfect may come, then that which [is] in part shall become useless.
11When I was a babe, as a babe I was speaking, as a babe I was thinking, as a babe I was reasoning, and when I have become a man, I have made useless the things of the babe;
12for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known;
13and now there doth remain faith, hope, love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.

John 15
12'This is my command, that ye love one another, according as I did love you

Ephesians 4
31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil-speaking, be put away from you, with all malice,
32and become one to another kind, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, according as also God in Christ did forgive you.

Subtle, very subtle.  In your Scripture dump above, nothing to disagree with since they are excellent Scriptures.

However, they are meant for the Elect of God in His true Church.

Before you decide to teach others, maybe you should have greater understanding.

Jesus got all over Peter one time when he spoke falsehood.  Jesus even called Peter, Satan.
Was Jesus being unloving then?

Poor Peter.  One time in Antioch,  Paul corrected Peter very strongly in public when Peter acted against the truth.  Was Paul being unloving?

Also, if I may ask, there is a well known universal salvation forum who has a member called MusicLover.  Would you happen to be the same person?  I ask because your writing style and level of knowledge are similar.

Have you come from that other Forum over here to teach us?  Just asking.

[ML]

However, they are meant for the Elect of God in His true Church

Wait, so God has actually given you an exact list of who those names are? Wow John, that's amazing! Maybe you could post it here so we know for sure who those are.

Before you decide to teach others, maybe you should have greater understanding.

There's a name for that. They are called "opinions"

Yes, I still lack wisdom in areas, so I ask God for that. Please don't reproach me either John. You were once young in Christ too, and lacked wisdom like I do.

I actually came over here to learn more, and (hopefully) meet others too. You can probably tell how little I know of Scripture, so I have no intention of teaching here. Couldn't anyway, even if I wanted to.

Those Scriptures apply to myself too, so I literally meant to not address anyone particular.

I don't feel lead most times (yet) to correct someone publicly. I've been given different gifts then you and others have. Does that make me less Christ like?

[ZekeSr]

Mike,

Seeing your comment was directed to Dennis, I thought carefully about replying. However,  by  implicating other members of this forum by name, in substantiating your position, I thought it fair to say how appalling your actions truly are. 

You are acussing someone else of attacking you unfairly and not having a spirit of love,  when you have so carelessly and selfishly defamed other members,  in a hurtfull and unloving way.

How can you justify such a thing?

Wanda,

I believe your reference to Mike was a typo. And you were responding to Sea of Glass. However, with that being said, I find it rather distressing to watch my posts start out interesting and then deteriorate as they do. It only takes one. I'm not sure how to get this back on track, but... here goes. The basic purpose of my post was to demonstrate how the more the pundits of mainstream science continue to attempt to prove their secular/atheistic assumptions on the origins of the universe the closer they get to proving the opposite.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so they are without excuse.

Mike

[Dennis Vogel]

Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

[Wanda]

My sincere apologies Mike, I did correct that.  I'll also refrain from any further off topic comments.

[yello62]

Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

I continue to say to folks, God has not given it to everybody to understand.  He grants as He sees fit, that includes everything.  I agree that is seems impossible to believe the universe just "came into existence" without a Creator, but, I wholly believe that confidence comes to me from God, the remainder of mankind has been left blind, and will remain so until God determines otherwise.

[Dave in Tenn]

Yello62, what confidence are you referring to?

Mike, these things happen...and are more likely to happen in Off-Topics than anywhere else on the forum.  It's been that way as long as I've been here.  Seems like people see "off-topics" and figure it's a free-for-all.  It does serve a purpose, however, even when things go south. 

I really am not attempting to argue here, but I do want to point out one mis-translation that Ray pointed out.  Maybe it's helpful.  It has been to me.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so they are without excuse.

Should really be read "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His unseen/invisible/imperceptible power and Godhead, so they are without excuse.

The CLV:  Rom 1:20  For His invisible attributes are descried from the creation of the world, being apprehended by His achievements, besides His imperceptible power and divinity, for them to be defenseless,
Rom 1:21  because, knowing God, not as God do they glorify or thank Him, but vain were they made in their reasonings, and darkened is their unintelligent heart."

There's a lot, lot more in that statement (fore and aft those verses) than ammo in the creationist/atheist debate, I think.

[yello62]

Yello62, what confidence are you referring to?

the increasing confidence that 1) all is from The Father, and that 2) well, i guess number two is like number 1, that The Father is the one that grants understanding of all things.  He shapes our understanding through the experiences He gives us.

[ZekeSr]

No need to apologize, Wanda. I knew it was a mistake. It's just that I thought I should point it out. 

As far as going off topic in an off-topic forum, I suppose I shouldn't fret too much about it and it's to be expected. But I just didn't want to see it stray too far as there have been some interesting insights presented. And as far as getting back on topic, the points that Dave (No Dave, I don't think you are arguing.) and Dennis have just presented are definitely back on topic.

Mike

[cjwood]

Whoa!!!!!!