I think we may be getting bogged down here with the 'treachery of words'!
Words are pretty clumsy things when it comes to expressing infinitely finer meanings.
From my perspective, words, per se, do not have meaning. Consciousness has meaning and words are not conscious; they are vehicles of expression.
People have meaning and their expressions of meaning can become occluded by particular usage.
I was reminded of this recently when our dear brother Moises used the word 'baggy' to allude to the stretching of concepts between cultures; but I got what he meant.
This idea of 'seeing' God seems to revolve around the idioms used to express 'perception'.
If you 'see' what I mean! You are not 'seeing' with the eye. You are perceiving with your understanding. See? LOL!
Seriously though Kat, I appreciate that you began your reply by stating:
Well as I said, I did believe that God the Father could not be contained to a shape or image.
OK. I'm fine with that, but that was not the thrust of my conjecture.
Jesus said that who had seen Him had seen the Father.
But God is not a man.................?
Therefore my understanding is the
allusion that when we are perfected, we shall be like Him, as Jesus was and is and forever will be.
I did not suggest 'containment' of God in any way; either in form or formless.
I don't think anything I wrote suggested that.
And I've just read Daywalkers post in the middle of this and this whole caboodle seems to have gone off the rails! LOL! I'm not in disagreement with either of you!
Let me try this.................
As Arc succinctly said in another thread, Perspective is Perception, ie. no other physical person can see out from your eyes. That is your unique perspective. So on this earth we have six and a half billion worlds and counting. Thirteen billion eyes and that's just Humans! And no two have the same perspective.
Now, each perspective has its own Perception, because we internalise what we see and conclude a perception based on that perspective.
Basically all I was saying was that we eventually will be 'like' Jesus because I believe He is the perfect template for Humanity. Therefore when we see Him we shall be like Him, because Jesus is the image of his Father; OUR Father; and we are made in His image. His likeness.
I wanted simply to express the idea that His indwelling perfection is the potential for each one of us in either of the resurrections, that will be our condition, because He wills it so, and ALL shall be saved.
But, there are decades of Babylon conditioning that some of us are still struggling to escape and it sometimes shows itself in the subtext of some of our posts. The idea that God is something or someone 'outside' of us is a travesty of theological philosophy; as though there is a separation between Father and ANY part of His creation, which cannot possibly be, because ALL is contained in Him.
I didn't post to debate, but to placate and heal. That was my sole intention.
There's a lot of hurting out there and I just wanted to reassure the hurting that there is nothing to fear from Daddy's Love, for His will is to prosper us and bring us all from Glory to Glory.
Muchest Luv
Grape x