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Eternal Life not promised?
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: Deedle ---I believe all is in Christ. Most just don't know it yet. Not to be mistaken with "Christ in you".
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I over-posted you Deedle, but yes (this is as I see it as well).... as I said in my post to Bob. Unless we are born again we cannot SEE the kingdom of God. But that doesn't mean that the kingdom is not here.
Even the children of the kingdom are cast out.... not to be confused with the SONS (the good seed).
It is when we receive the spirit of ADOPTION that God send us the spirit of His SON that cries Abba Father!
We are all children and heirs.... but as long as we are a CHILD we differ nothing from the servant, though we be LORD OF ALL.
We WAIT for the manifestation of SONS.
Blessings,
Chrissie
And maybe I should bow out of this thread now, too. :wink:
chrissiela:
Jerreye, (I missed your questions)
We are sealed with the earnest of the spirit, yes. But we are sealed with the earnest of the spirit even as children of God. But we must “move on to perfection�. We must mature. And we cannot do that without Christ IN US.
Yes, I am still in this body of flesh and yes I will one day die. And eventually I will be completely FREE from this body of flesh/death…. But I can be “redeemed� from it even now, through Christ.
Even Paul says:
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But YE ARE NOT IN THE FLESH, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And IF CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is DEAD because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.[/list:u]
So to answer your question… God willing, I am NO LONGER in the flesh, minding the things of the flesh… but walking after the spirit, if so be that I have the spirit of God dwelling in me.
Blessings,
Chrissie
PS... I was not saying that you made a direct accusation, but the implication is that this line of thinking is to say that the resurrection is past... and that is NOT what this is saying.
mercie:
Awesome Thread.
Thanks you to all who shared. :D
Christ " in US " Our Hope of Glory.
The Resurrection and the Life. :D :D
bobf:
--- Quote from: chrissiela ---
--- Quote from: bobf ---Oh, and Bob... where did I say that the Pharisees go in first?
The publicans and harlots go in first (Mat 21:31).
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Chrissie, I must be greatly misunderstanding something you are saying. But this is the part that made me think what I said (I underlined the key parts).
--- Quote ---Them that are “asleep� are not physically dead people; they are they who are walking in darkness, not having passed from death unto life, not knowing the love of God or one another.
And “those who are ALIVE and remain� (those who are dead ALSO “remain�) will not prevent them; for they will be caught up first (the tares are harvested FIRST; Mat 13:30). THEN “those who are alive and remain" will be caught up together with them.
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So my understanding of what you've said is that "them that sleep" are "them walking in darkness" i.e the spiritually dead (pharisees for example). You say these are "harvested first" and "caught up first". First relative to whom? I thought you meant first relative to those who are NOT spiritually dead (i.e. the publicans & sinners).
I apologize for misunderstanding.
God bless,
Bob
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chrissiela:
Bob,
Ok, I also misunderstood you then , too. :oops: I wasn't even thinking of that....
I did say that the tares are harvested FIRST, as this is according to scripture, right?
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST THE TARES, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.[/list:u]
And what are the tares?
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;[/list:u]
So how do *I* 'understand' how this happens?? That the tares, who are the children of the "wicked one" are gathered FIRST :shock: (as the scriptures so state!!)??
By kowing that we are ALL 'dead' apart from Christ and that we must ALL go through some sort of judgment or "fiery trial" to have all that "hay, wood and stubble" burned up. Right?
So, as I see it, we ALL start out as "tares". For "to be carnally minded is DEATH". Right?. It is the "enmity against God" and "not subject to the laws of God". Right?
So until we die to the flesh and have that "carnal mind" burned out of us.... and are "born again" (given life through Christ) we cannot even SEE the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.[/list:u]
BUT... this will not happen to the Pharisses before it happens to the "publicans" and the "harlots"... will it?
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, JUDGMENT, MERCY, AND FAITH: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.[/list:u]
Those who DO the will of the Father will enter in FIRST: (Doers, not just hearers!)
Mat 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
Mat 21:29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, AND WENT.
Mat 21:30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: AND WENT NOT.
Mat 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.[/list:u]
The scriptures clearly tell us that the tares are gathered FIRST.... that is why I see it that the harvest has already begun... "for judgment must begin at the house of God"... and the "hay, wood and stubble" has already begun to be "burned up". Hasn't it?
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; FOR THE HARVEST OF THE EARTH IS RIPE.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.[/list:u]
And what did Peter say?
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:[/list:u]
Who did Jesus say were the "reapers"?
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.[/list:u]
So look at these:
Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained ANGELS unawares.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.[/list:u]
Blessings,
Chrissie
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