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Is water baptism necessary
aqrinc:
Hi Ron,
Welcome to the forum, nice first topic also. Here are some Scripture that can help with that question of baptism. The reason you are here is because your eyes are being opened to understand beyond the basics of this fiery walk through life.
Like other members have counselled; do settle in for a long, bumpy but awe inspiring ride through Scripture, with The Spirit Of GOD And our Lord Jesus Christ taking you all the way.
Heb 5:1-4 (GNB)
1 Every high priest is chosen from his fellow-men and appointed to serve God on their behalf, to offer sacrifices and offerings for sins.
2 Since he himself is weak in many ways, he is able to be gentle with those who are ignorant and make mistakes.
3 And because he is himself weak, he must offer sacrifices not only for the sins of the people but also for his own sins.
4 No one chooses for himself the honor of being a high priest. It is only by God's call that a man is made a high priest---just as Aaron was.
Heb 5:5-14 (CLV)
5 Thus Christ also does not glorify Himself by becoming a chief priest, but He Who speaks to Him, "My Son art Thou! I, today, have begotten Thee,
6 according as in a different place also He is saying, "Thou art a priest for the eon according to the order of Melchizedek,
7 Who, in the days of His flesh, offering both petitions and supplications with strong clamor and tears to Him Who is able to save Him out of death, being hearkened to also for His piety,
8 even He also, being a Son, learned obedience from that which He suffered."
9 And being perfected, He became the cause of eonian salvation to all who are obeying Him,
10 being accosted by God "Chief Priest according to the order of Melchizedek,
11 concerning whom there are words, many and abstruse, for us to say, since you have become dull of hearing."
12 For when also, because of the time, you ought to be teachers, you have need again of one to teach you what are the rudimentary elements of the oracles of God, and you have come to have need of milk, and not of solid nourishment."
13 For everyone who is partaking of milk is untried in the word of righteousness, for he is a minor."
14 Now solid nourishment is for the mature, who, because of habit, have faculties exercised for discriminating between the ideal and the evil."
Heb 6:1-6 (CLV)
1 Wherefore, leaving the word dealing with the rudiments of Christ, we should be brought on to maturity, (not again disrupting the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith on God,
2 of the teaching of baptizings, besides the imposition of hands, and the resurrection of the dead, and of judgment eonian)."
3 And this will we be doing, that is, if God may be permitting."
4 For it is impossible for those once enlightened, besides tasting the celestial gratuity and becoming partakers of holy spirit,
5 and tasting the ideal declaration of God, besides the powerful deeds of the impending eon,
6 and falling aside, to be renewing them again to repentance while crucifying for themselves the Son of God again and holding Him up to infamy."
george. :)
cjwood:
hands-down dave in tn, that has got to be the best post i have read ever, regarding this subject, ever.
claudia
mmijares:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 27, 2009, 01:39:27 PM ---
Let the denominational theologians argue with each other over the questions of whether, by what mode, when, and why to baptize in water. Let the more strident among them sentence, in fantasia, their rival religionists to eternal torment, separation, or annihilation. Let the fearful in the pews worry about the efficacy of their own baptism, or hop from church to church seeking the 'right' baptism. Let them remain babes. Let them lose what Love and Hope they had in those precious early times.
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If I may add...
Let them think that they can buy the Holy Spirit by water baptism.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Hello Mark
Can you explain Mark 16:16? ( He who believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved )
Thanks EJW
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Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, yet he who disbelieves shall be condemned."
Hi EJW.
To be submerged [by Gods grace] in the Truths of the Spirit and converted Spiritually is the only way one will not be condemned [judged].
Peace...Mark
E. Woods:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 27, 2009, 12:59:26 PM ---
Hi EJW,
I thought I would post these emails about baptizm for you.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8982.0.html ----
I have always said that we must be baptized. But remember that there is "ONLY ONE BAPTISM" (Eph 4:5). I don't know many people who believe this Scripture. We are to be baptized in spirit JUST as we are to be circumcised in heart and spirit (without hands--Col. 2:11-12). I don't know many Christians who believe this Scripture. We are to be baptized into Jesus Christ's NAME (Acts 2:28); and baptized into Jesus' DEATH (Rom. 6:3-4). But if one believes being baptized in physical water will get the job done, well then, God bless you. God didn't call me to baptize (I Cor. 1:13-17). Until and unless one is baptized with the Holy Spirit, he will only go down dry and come up wet (John 1:33).
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3292.0.html ----
Yes, baptism is a symbol. How in the world could being immersed into water be anything but a symbol OF SOMETHING ELSE. People are immersed in water every time they go swimming. What does THAT accomplish in their spiritual life? Immersion in water SYMBOLIZED a persons desire to bury his old self and be washed clean of sin. Just performing the ritual of being baptized in water will not, however, accomplish this. Only if you are baptized IN HEART AND SPIRIT is it of any value. All the males of Israel were circumcised the 8th day for centuries. Did that ritual convert a single Jew? No, of course not. It SYMBOLIZED something that can only be accomplished in one's heart and mind and spirit.
Baptism pictures something: "Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism INTO DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, EVEN SO we also should walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE" (Rom. 6:1-4). Baptism is OF THE HEART AND SPIRIT, or it is worthless and is no baptism at all. Hope this helps your understanding.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,328.0.html ---------
I don't have a church. I am a member of GOD'S CHURCH, and it is a spiritual organism, not a physical building with man-made creeds.
Paul stopped baptizing altogether after he learned that no physical ritual will make anyone spiritual. We are baptized in spirit, not water; we are circumcised in spirit, not in the flesh; we partake of Christ's body not in the physical with bread, but in the spirit, etc.
Matt. 28:19--"...baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit....:" IS NOT SCRIPTURE. That part of a verse was inserted by the Catholic Church hundreds of years after the apostles.
God be with you,
Ray
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Hello Kat.
Thanks for the e-mails about baptism by Ray.
After reading them, I am still confused. I don't want to argue, and I WON'T,
And I don't give a hoot what other people believe, I am just trying to understand Gods' Word.
Do you have any idea why, Jesus Christ got baptized when He had no sins?
and why did Peter COMMAND Cornelius and his household to be baptized with water after
they had already received the Holy Spirit?
Yes, baptism is a symbol, So is the American flag, and I am proud to let people know I am an American.
But you don't have to be an American to fly the American flag. It's not wrong to fly the American flag.
Dave in Tenn.
It looked liked Peter thought it WAS necessary to baptize those who were already spirit-baptized.
I'm sticking to I don't know the answer.
Be Happy, EJW
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