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soberxp:
--- Quote from: Roy Martin on December 24, 2009, 12:11:27 PM ---Hi Soberxp,
O Lord, I know that the way of man is NOT IN HIMSELF [not in his will or choice] it is not in man that walks to direct his steps [he is not ‘free’ to choice where he will walk]" (Jer. 10:23).
"Man’s goings [steps] are OF THE LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24).
Soberxp, its all just a part of learning and growing, don't you think?
Roy
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yep,I agree with you n these scripture are right! how can I understand my own way,no matter which way, I'm choosing to going [steps] are OF THE LORD, I'm not ‘free’ but free to choice where I will walk, cuz no matter which way I was choosing to going [steps] are OF THE LORD, life is really and truly a part of learning and growing.
before I knew Jesus n god, I always have a feeling,some of my thoughts were not from myself.
can you understand my some kind of rap?
zvezda:
--- Quote from: Roy Martin on December 24, 2009, 12:07:43 PM ---Is there a scripture that says we are accountable
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Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Luke 16:2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
1 Pet 4:5 Who shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
Hope this helps. :)
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Roy Martin on December 24, 2009, 12:07:43 PM ---Hi Mark, Thats some good stuff.
So God basically makes us weak and dirty, since we can do nothing of our own even sin which isn't evil, but yet is part of evil. I mean how can we have one without the other, or separate them into two different meanings, or is it like the structure of a house or vessel that has other components that makes it a house or vessel. Vanity consist of several things. We can't have vanity without evil and sin or lust of the heart, and even the unbeliever who's steps also are directed by God according to scripture. If God didn't create sin, then who did? We can't create anything in ourselves nor change ourselves from one vessel to another. Is there a scripture that says we are accountable, or that we of our own have lust of the heart and act on them?
Peace
Roy
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--- Quote ---If God didn't create sin, then who did?
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Hi Roy.
Sin is the disobedience of God's commandments and a falling short of Gods truths[Spiritual mistakes]. Since man was made exceedingly weak this would lead to a sinful nature,which we all are.All fall short of the glory of God because of our carnal mind.So to me at least, sin originates in the heart and mind so as to be from within us,not from God.Remember we do get to make choices in life and God wants us to choose,but how we choose is what separates right from wrong.
A few email replies from Ray.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2302.0.html
> Hi L. Ray,
>
> One question? Only one. Very simple. If God controls everything,
> then what is sin?
>
>
> Blessings,
>
> Chad
Dear Chad:
Sin is sin regardless of whether "God controls everything," or God
controls nothing. Sin is lawlessness, missing the mark, coming short
of the glory of God, etc. God never ever does any of these things. Men
do. God made men so that they would "miss the mark," "fall short," and
be "lawless." It is not a sin for God to have made man so weak as to
prevent him from having the power to resist sin. There is a great purpose
for God creating man so that he cannot overcome the lusts of his carnal
weak mind, which God created. For the details, read the rest of our site.
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1189.0.html
Dear Reader:
I explained all this in great detail in my series on "The Myth of Free Will Exposed."
God forgives because you and I have been guilty of voluntarily sinning from our hearts, and this is wrong. God gives us an experience of "evil"--things that are wrong (Ecc. 1:13, Concordant Literal New Testament), so that we will learn and desire to do what is RIGHT. This spiritual truth is entirely too high for the carnal mind to comprehend.
God be with you,
Ray
--- Quote ---Is there a scripture that says we are accountable
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ISV
Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says applies to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
2Co 2:17 At least we are not commercializing God's word like so many others. Instead, in Christ we speak with sincerity, like people who are sent from God and are accountable to God.
GW
Mat 23:35 As a result, you will be held accountable for all the innocent blood of those murdered on earth, from the murder of righteous Abel to that of Zechariah, son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 I can guarantee this truth: The people living now will be held accountable for all these things.
Darby
1Sa 22:22 And David said to Abiathar, I knew it that day, when Doeg the Edomite was there, that he would certainly tell Saul: I am accountable for all the lives of thy father's house.
ESV
Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
WNT
Mat 12:36 But I tell you that for every careless word that men shall speak they will be held accountable on the day of Judgement.
Hope this helps.
Peace...Mark
Roy Martin:
--- Quote from: zvezda on December 24, 2009, 02:28:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Roy Martin on December 24, 2009, 12:07:43 PM ---Is there a scripture that says we are accountable
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Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Luke 16:2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
1 Pet 4:5 Who shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
Hope this helps. :)
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Thank you Zvezda, and also,
Some how I forgot that the OT is packed with stories of God holding people accountable by punishing them in all kinds of ways; plaques, famine,droughts, death; to even children because of their parents sin. Wow! just when I thought I was about to get somewhere.
It definitely takes an act of God to see His love in all of this, and have understanding of it. I can also see why no man dead or alive can prove to someone that God exist and that He loves us. Yes! no doubt that God guides our steps, and this is definitely one topic that I would like to give up on because there just doesn't seem to be an end to it, but that's not going to be the case; I already know.
Roy
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Roy
If it is of any consolation, try to think of your choices as your preferences.
The preferences of a person who is pleasing to God, will be to avoid, shun, have nothing to do with and steer clear of evil. This is pleasing to God
1Pe 3:11 Let him turn aside from evil and do good. Let him seek peace and pursue it.
1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears open to their prayers. But the Lord's face is against those who do evil.
The preferences of a person who does not please God will be to be preferring their own god serving self interest through guile, cunning, crafty, devious deceitful duplicity.
Just ask yourself what you prefer and you will see how God is shaping you to be either a vessel to honor or to dishonor. We can check our own motives but only truly with fear and trembling because it IS God who is working in us according to His Will and Council making us as He pleases. Many are made for His Mercy. Few will receive His reward for being made righteous. Is God wrong to make many fit for His Mercy and only a few for His reward? Of course not.
Many are called and few are chosen.
Php 2:12 And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it IS God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
Arc
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