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What exactly is heaven?
indianabob:
Interesting point Marques,
However please consider, Satan IS perfect for the role that he must play in God's plan.
Satan was created to be the accuser of the "brethren"
Satan does nothing that God does not allow and approve, for now.
Bob
Kat:
Oh okay, good point to make Marques. But I was referring the the Elect that would be perfected when they come up in the first resurrection. If heaven will come down on earth, then those in the second resurrection certainly will not be perfected into righteousness yet, just like Satan and the demons are not righteous yet either.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 17, 2011, 10:49:03 AM ---
Oh okay, good point to make Marques. But I was referring the the Elect that would be perfected when they come up in the first resurrection. If heaven will come down on earth, then those in the second resurrection certainly will not be perfected into righteousness yet, just like Satan and the demons are not righteous yet either.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I'm not sure it's a safe assumption that one will be made perfect immediately in the First Resurrection. It takes great time to be perfect, as only God is perfect. I don't see that happening in the time it takes to bring one out of the ground or to 'change them' in a twinkling of an eye [1 Cor 15:51-52].
Patience is just one attribute that one must have to be perfect, and that attribute takes time to develop. When you add all the other fruits of the spirit, that takes even more time to bring to perfection. There's an email reply from Ray, I'll try to find it later today, where he mentions that we may have a lot to do even after Christ returns to gather His Elect.
The Matrix metaphor just came back to mind: even when Neo was resurrected and could see all the coding that made up the Matrix, he still didn't know exactly what he was to do. He had incredible gifts, but it took more trials for him to come to the point of knowing exactly how to 'save' humanity. I know this is an imperfect metaphor, but even still, just food for thought.
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
1John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him AS HE IS.
Not as He WAS or as He shall be, but as He IS...TODAY
Heb 4:7 He again definitely mentions a certain day, "To-day,"
The Resurrection of Jesus in us today, is not in what a human mind in limitation, might imagine.
The Kingdom of God is not in the mind of mortal man but the Mind of Immortal Christ, the Resurrection and the Life of unimaginable frontiers of liberty, peace and sanctification that the world can not know or see.
We are not of the world but of the Kingdom of God, with the Mind of Christ who says, YOU are the Light of the World, the Salt of the earth.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them to us by his Spirit; for the Spirit searcheth all things, even the deep things of God.
The deep things of God are those things Eternal, not subject to space or time, friend or foe, birth or death, but to rebirth and immortality, in Christ both Alpha and Omega are fullfilled in His Kingdom within you and I.
Arc
Rene:
Hi Grace,
Back to your original question, "What exactly is heaven?," we obviously don't know exactly all that God's heaven entails, however, I have complete confidence that we will all know eventually. Patience is a virtue. :)
René
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