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What exactly is heaven?
One Love:
--- Quote ---But I was referring the the Elect that would be perfected when they come up in the first resurrection
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Hey Kat
Warning: Do not take this personally, you always inspire me.
This is an insert from one of Mr. Smith's papers: Maybe a liitle offtopic here,
If you do not ‘do unto others as you would have them to do unto you,’ you are yet carnal. Now we could give a whole talk on that… do unto others.
If you do not “turn the other cheek” (Mat. 5:39) … you are yet carnal.
If you do not “humble yourself” (Dan. 10:12) … you are yet carnal.
If you do not “…deem one another superior to one’s self” (Phil. 2:4 CLV) … you are yet carnal.
If you do not “pray without ceasing” (1Thes. 5:17)… you are yet carnal.
If you do not “but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God” (Phil. 4:6) … you are yet carnal.I could go on for hours and hours. EVERYTHING in the Scriptures that admonish you personally, you must obey and follow or “ye are yet carnal.”
Where are we going to find these elects or the few when scripture says none is righteous and
none can please GOD.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Where are we going to find these elects or the few when scripture says none is righteous and none can please GOD.
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It would seem that if we believe the Lord through faith it shall be counted as righteousness.
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Our righteousness shall also come by obeying Jesus' commandments and sayings.
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Mat 19:17 ...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Peace...Mark
Kat:
Hi Gordon,
--- Quote ---Where are we going to find these elects or the few when scripture says none is righteous and none can please GOD.
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The Scripture does speak of a few/chosen/elect people that God will have made ready in this life to be the Elect and Christ will gather at His return.
Mark 13:20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved. But for the elect's sake, whom He has chosen, He has shortened the days.
Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of the heaven with power and great glory.
v. 31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Those few/chosen/elect are not the righteous of the world, quite the opposite.
1Co 1:26 For you see your calling, brothers, that not many wise men according to the flesh are called, not many mighty, not many noble.
v. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
v. 28 and God has chosen the base things of the world, and things which are despised, and things which are not, in order to bring to nothing things that are;
v. 29 so that no flesh should glory in His presence.
It's only by His Spirit indwelling that there is any good in any of us.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
v. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Well Marques, I guess it's not clear if those raised will be perfect right away. Paul does say it was not in this life he would be made perfect and seemed to indicating it was at resurrection that he was expecting that. But that's an assumption I made.
Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may apprehend that for which also I was apprehended by Christ Jesus.
The elect will sit on Christ's throne with Him, a position of authority, to reign with Him.
Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.
But I do understand that this make not happen instantaneously, I guess it might take us a little time to get used to our wings ;)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
One Love:
Hey kitty Kat & marky mark
I was just trying to clear up the quote by Markus:
--- Quote ---I'm not sure it's a safe assumption that one will be made perfect immediately in the First Resurrection
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gmik:
Gordon, I just read that same paper from the Mobile conf. of 2009 about "are ye yet carnal".
Gosh, it sure puts it out there-especially the cheerful giver part.
I can not do all of those things-so unless God leads me to do them-I will be carnal till the end. Just because we "believe" more correctly than a babylonian christian doesn't make me in and them out.
DOING the word and not just believing and hearing...is that the key to the first resur.?
I don't think so. HE holds the key and I think it is already a done deal.
Heaven is a higher spiritual existance w/ God...and it will be AWESOME!!!!
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