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Who/What is the Father?
Kat:
Hi Antaiwan,
--- Quote ---Why does an invisible God create a physical universe
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That's an interesting question. I wonder if it was because the physical is just temporary? I mean nothing that is physical remains permanently, but automatically goes into decay/corruption and is gone. We can see that He required that this physical world go through much misery and suffering (experience of evil, Ecc 1:13 CLV), so maybe it being physical and subject to being only temporary was why?
Hi Indiana Bob, as Samson said I as well liked the point about being able to see God if one was in the Spiritual Realm, but unseen to those who live in the flesh.
--- Quote ---Why do we think that God needed a pattern in order
to build the shape of mankind? When God built the earth for MAN he planned for the man to have
mobility (legs, arms, fingers) and the five senses in order to be able to experience life or living on the earth and to learn
from the experience. None of this requires that God be restricted to similar limitations.
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You know on this point Bob I was thinking kind of the same way too. But what I am seeing now is that I was thinking about it backwards or from my human perspective, instead of God came first and had already determined some things before we were even a thought in His mind. I was thinking why would God limit Himself to not be in the shape of a human, He is just too great for that. But when you start thinking of the wisdom that was used in the design of this image/body, so was the body designed so man it would best function in this physical creation or was the creation designed to fit man's image?
I think we tend to look at our shape/image purely from a physical viewpoint? But of course God was already in existence before the physical and if you consider that He does have a shape/image, maybe His image took eons (or longer) to develop into what it became? If you think about the face and the complexity in it's design and function and it is so expressive. The arms that reach out with hands that are so dexterous, yes useful in the physical... like someone talking or give directions using their hands? This image is a truly amazing wonder in it's design and performance.
But then when He finally created Jesus Christ and He gave Him that same image, HIS image. Which He then, I guess He gave it to the angels He created too. Then that same incredible and marvelous image was transfer to us, but in a physical form for now.
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
I don't think even the myriads of angels all look exactly the same, that would just be boring. You know I think our image and likeness would also carrier over even when we are changed into a spiritual being, so that you would resemble yourself and other people would recognize us :D
mercy, peace and love
Kat
gmik:
Too deep for just one reading! Wow
A friend of mine mentioned how she probably gives God a headache every time she prays.
Showed me how intrenched most of the world is that God is "like Us".
I am still realing over the Prov 8 scripture that God "birthed" wisdom (Jesus) in great travail!!
So much more to learn!
Thanks Kat for sharing that w/ us.
Kat:
Hi Gena,
--- Quote ---I am still realing over the Prov 8 scripture that God "birthed" wisdom (Jesus) in great travail!!
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Just to give you a bit more to consider, when God "birthed" wisdom was that speaking of Jesus? Ray was asked just that question at a Bible study, here is an excerpt.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=10538.0 ------------
but when He came up with the master plan He birthed it, with great pain and sorrow. That’s why He used the word birth and he didn’t create it. Before it was birthed it wasn’t here.
So God came to a time…Well you say, ‘if eternity is like a circle, where is that?’ I don’t know. I’m not saying that I understand all the mysteries of the universe. I’m saying I can understand the things that He teaches us. So if there was a time, if wisdom was birthed, then that is an event that happened some ‘time.’ Then there was a time before it was birthed that it wasn’t here. Then there was after it was birthed, it was here.
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[Comment from attendee: Is wisdom Jesus? He is the first fruit, He is the beginning.] No, it’s got to be more than that, because God birthed ‘it’ and the it has to do with ability and cleverness and all of those, if you look up the definition of wisdom.
It means more than just bringing into being some other being that possesses these qualities. Because, quite frankly, if Jesus Christ is the Son of God, then when did He become the Son of God? Well you will say, ‘when He was born.’ No, He was called the Son before that. So how then, was wisdom necessary to make a Son? Well where did He come up with the idea of a Son anyway? Where did He come up with the idea of a family? Well He did, because we are here and we have family relationship and so on. Where did He come up with that? Did mothers and fathers and children and aunts and uncles and cousins did they exist before the creation of the heavens? No. Well then God came up with that.
You say, ‘no, God inhabited eternity. In eternity nothing changes and nothing happens, so therefore we existed and the universe existed before it was created. Because if He didn’t create it and then He created it, then something happened.’ Are we saying that He made it first and then it entered His mind what He did? Like He said, ’Oh my, look what I did, I wonder where that idea came from.’ It’s nonsense.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Kat:
Hi Abednego,
Well here is a Scripture that you may find interesting.
Mat 18:10 "Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
This Thread gives me the image of a country farm gate being gently swung open to a flock of peace loving sheep guided to enter into a beautiful fresh field of lush grass, pretty flowers of perception, and golden dappled sunlight of an early morning, sharing and moving together to rejoice in finding the stream of the Spirit of God's Loving and giving heart ~ all opened to us through the guiding hand of our dear Ray Smith speaking to our Kat.
Thanks for sharing ~ :)
Arc
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