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Adam's mother
Akira329:
Kat,
I can see Adam being separated/outcast especially if he had desires different from those around.
Everyone would have been a hunter and gathering type and Adam comes along and starts talking about tilling the ground to grow your own food. Think about how that must of sounded to everyone around.
It could also be possible that at this time he took his wife with him, something no one has done before, and left the group.
(therefore leaving his father and mother)
Its hard for me to believe biology separated Adam and his wife but that their belief is what caused this separation.
Adam would be the first of man to believe in God(the God of Abraham, not some other god)
Eve just as well(The mother of all living)Why? because she believed too.
The problem I see in genesis is that it generally talks about man(as a whole, the human race, mankind) and then throws around a personal name such as Adam, which means the same thing. This alone can be confusing.
Antaiwan
Rene:
A lot of good points being made in this thread and this subject really intrigues me! ;D
I believe those the Lord has chosen are inspired to think "outside the box" when it comes to spiritual matters. Those in the church are "in the box" and that box is dark and deceived. As Kathy reminded us, if the church teaches it, that's a good reason to take a second look. ;)
René
lauriellen:
could it be that when God 'breathed' into "Adam" the 'breath of life' and he became a 'living soul' (all symbols), that perhaps for the first time 'man' became 'self aware' and was giving a consciouseness that set him apart from all the other 'creatures' for the first time?
Deborah-Leigh:
Jesus is "awake".
Adam is still sleeping. ~ :D
Arc
daywalker:
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--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
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Who was Eve's father and mother if she came from Adam and she was the mother of all living? Could Gen 2:24 just be a general statement applicable to future human beings other than Adam and Eve?
Or could the entire story of Adam and Eve be a parable since that seems to be God's preferred way of teaching? A snake that talks and stands upright; a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a Tree of Life; the Tree of Life guarded by Cherubim and a flaming sword that moved in all directions; eating of forbidden fruit; God walking in the Garden in the cool of the day? Is all this literal or a parable?
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You know, I've heard and considered this idea of the Story of Eden being a parable, but the one "flaw" that I haven't got any answers for is the genealogical records in the Bible. Example:
Luke 3:23-38 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,....... 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
I don't see how this could be explained (away)...seems there must've been a real "Adam" at some point.
As for the serpent, I don't believe it was an actual snake that walked up or slithered around the tree talking to Eve, I think it was Satan talking much in the same way he talks to anyone else--through their mind (like Judas for example):
John 13:2 During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him,
Before Satan actually "entered" or possessed Judas (verse 27), he had already been active in perverting his mind to betray Jesus. I'm thinking in the same way he 'worked' Eve's mind (though he never actually possessed her at any time). I don't believe that Eve ever actually "saw" anyone, though it appears somehow she was aware of his presence because she accuses him of tricking her (Gen 3:13). I could be wrong, but this is the way I see it.
Daywalker 8)
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Being a "son of" can also be a parable or not literal. See Matthew 1:1. Jesus is called the son of David, the son of Abraham. That is not strictly true or literal. Adam is also the Hebrew word for "humanity".
Also your statement about Satan is an opinion. I yearn for absolute truth, not opinion. If a talking, standing serpent is not literal, which I have doubts about since I've never seen one ; how do we distinguish between literal and parable?
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John, as if I yearn for opinion and not absolute truth? Let's be fair, your assessment of the Genesis story being a parable is just as much "opinion" as my statement on Satan. Though let me also add I didn't come to this "opinion" without reason, but I used a Scriptural example for why I feel as I do.
True, Jesus is called the son of David though He wasn't literally the son of David. But does this fact mean or even suggest that Jesus didn't actually exist at all? Of course not! Likewise, Adam being the "son of God" could indeed be figurative, yet does that mean Adam, the man, never existed at all? I am aware that Adam in the Hebrew means "humanity", and I'm not dogmatically denying the possibility of the Genesis story being a parable...I just haven't been convinced yet.
Godspeed,
Daywalker 8)
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