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Does God have 'Free Will'?

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Joel:
God has all power, and does as he pleases.
Psalms 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he pleased.

Psalms 135 5-6
For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in the earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

Sometimes I don't think I have enough "power" to blow my nose. Free will. ??? :D :)

Joel

Foxx:
This whole "free will" thing is part of the Greek and Roman reasoning for things that has come along thanks to the church. Modern day reasoning is hinged on this form or thinking whereas the Jews were a people who believed in God because he TOLD them to do something.
Personally I don't think it exists even for God. I think the concern of saying God does not have free will may mean to some that it implies that his power, control, abilities, omnipitence is somehow circumvented or undermind if he does not possess such a thing.

Does God have free will? Is there a cause for what he does? Free will is defined by mankind as the ability to make choices with no cause or supernatural influences? Was there a cause for why God has chosen to do the things that he has? Absolutely! Does this diminish his power or knowledge of what is best for us? Of course not! This is a matter of faith and trusting in him as the being and source for what is best for us in this universe...just as the Jews did long before our Lord, Jesus Christ even came along.

Even the concept alone is a pointless one...I would hope that there was a reason and purpose inside of our God's heart that caused him to do everything that he has.  That purpose could be one of that he was lonely and desired companionship, who knows exactly. But I'm sure there are causes for his actions and if this is the case then even our all powerful Father does not have this made up ability called "free will" ... not that it would matter because he is in fact ALL POWERFUL.

I guess I wonder why is it so important that someone, ANYONE has the ability of free will... even if its God? I mean I understand that wanting to know the truth of the matter is important but after everything we have learned on this site and others about how evil, pagan, stupid and just flat out impossibly wrong it is, I have to wonder could it be any clearer? Why is it so important that God has this ability even if we do not? God has done things according to his own council...but that does not mean there was no cause for it. He gets what he wants and in the end knows what is best for us. As the Jews had faith in him for no other reason than to obey and believe we should also keep this in mind and know that even if he doesn't have "free will" he is infinitely more powerful and loving than us.

acomplishedartis:

I know not much about science, but here is some very interesting article from 'max planck insitute' about free will (http://www.mpg.de/567905/pressRelease20080414), the end of the article is baggy and suspicious weather the lack of free will on the experiment is astounding.

I think that people brains that know the truth about our lack of freewill are way more intelligent than the ones that keep thinking that they are doing things all the time just because they will it out of thin air (not literally speaking). People that think that they have free will is deceived and controled more easy. Maybe these is why the people in the top preffer to keep the sheep's dumb. (And dumb sheep's love having their precious ''idea'' that they are the master of their life, that they create their own destinies and that all the miserable and evil and ''nonbeliever'' people are in that state because they freely chose it.

I do know some about how does marketing works, and believe me, these guys does knows that there is no free-will (at list with actions they show it) and that is why good marketers have the power to rise behaviour with out a doubt. Now days there is even neuro-marketing.

The think with no free-will is that soon or later it will drags us to the first cause of everything, witch is GOD and then after that, these knowlege can drag us to question God's motives to make everythings as it is, thanks God, we have answers (in the Scriptures), and the main one is, the 'Good news'.


Still we can come to say, okay, there is no free-will and then forget of it and keep living in many areas as if we believe that we have it, or we can keep meditating, putting it together with Scriptures and asking our selves often;if no free-will then.....................................
and we will never finish but our life perceptions might grow, the road is very long, on the way time will seem to shrink for us.

jeetkunejimi:
My dear old dad thought that he was FREE to write his WILL out,but God took him before he had the CHOICE to and now the government have FREELY taken his house CAUSING me to lose my PREDESTINED inheritance. I guess you'd call that CIRCUMSTANCE a no win situation,lol.

We've all just got to learn to accept the WILL OF ALMIGHTY GOD. Amen ;D ;D.

cjwood:
reading through ray's responses in the old emails posted by some of the members here, i think i am seeing maybe that ray is saying something like this:

    God the Father does not have free will, because there is nothing that He wills that is not caused by something. and that something is counsel.  the counsel of something.  His own will.  i.e. His will is not free from counsel.  who's counsel effects His will?  His own.  His will is caused by counsel.  a will that comes about as a result of something that caused it, is not free.  so, therefore God the Father does not have free will either.

if i am way off base here i apologize.  need to go to bed.

claudia

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