> General Discussions

Deuteronomy 21:18-21?

<< < (4/7) > >>

Dave in Tenn:
You're preaching to the choir with me.  I guess I just need to read from Duetronomy on and see if there is a recorded instance where this law was carried out.  An esword search did no good because there are too many instances of any keywords to wade through.  If no ex-JW or WWCOG person can tell me, I guess I'm stuck.

I learned in Sunday School that the law was intended to make for a better society.  Granted, I was Southern Baptist and we didn't get too deep into much besides the Ten Commandments and tithing.   ;)  While it may still be true that the law was given to make for a better society, I've learned since that the law was given for another purpose, and that the Law is Spiritual.  

I also know that they lied to me in sunday school a few times.  I just want to check things out for myself.

Sorry, Jimi, for hijacking your thread.  I'm done here.

Joel:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 is God's remedy for someone that has broken one of the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that THY DAYS MAY BE LONG UPON THE LAND which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Under the Old Covenant God was strict about putting EVIL away from his people, and this is an example of instructions for this to be done. Did a father or mother ever do this to their son? If they had faith in God in the Church in the wilderness, I think it could have happened.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death: but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died WITHOUT MERCY under two or three witnesses:

In the future the eternal God will execute judgement on those that died while doing evil, and wickedness, but I don't see where any will be tormented for eternity, only punished in the lake of fire by the eternal God. Ray has done a lot of teaching on this subject. 8)
Sometimes it is more cruel for someone to live on doing evil, than for them to die and have more heaps of serious offences to their charge at a latter date. "Laws are for the lawless"

Joel

River:

--- Quote from: Kat on August 10, 2011, 08:18:21 AM ---
Hi River,


--- Quote ---The idea that if you can kill someone and they will live again one day with a better attitude is way out. Sounds a lot like the fear of hell will set you straight idea. Or how about convert to our religion or be killed. I often notice how those who hate crime or rage at a injustice become worse than the persons they are upset with.
--- End quote ---

I agree with Doug on this, and I just like to point to a few Scriptures concerning it.

Deu 4:14  And Jehovah commanded me (Moses) at that time to teach you statutes and judgments so that you might do them in the land where you go over to possess it.

Deu 12:1  These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to do in the land which Jehovah, the God of your fathers gives you to possess it, all the days that you live upon the earth.

Deu 26:16  Today Jehovah your God has commanded you to do these statutes and judgments. You therefore shall keep and do them with all your heart and with all your soul.

It says Jehovah through Moses is where these laws came from. It says "God commanded" this as a statutes before and after it was given, so it is kind of bookended in there as from God. All life is given to live on this earth for the time that God sees fit.

Job 1:21  And he said, I came naked out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. Jehovah gave, and Jehovah has taken away. Blessed be the name of Jehovah.

God is doing a work at this time according to His perfect wisdom, and really whatever lifetime that we have on this earth at this time is so minuscule compared to what is to come.

James 4:14  Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

That we can not clearly understand or phantom exactly how and why God is working things out the way He does is no surprise...

Isa 55:8  For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor your ways My ways, says Jehovah.

mercy, peace and love
Kat



--- End quote ---

Hey Kat,
 
Dougs response may be trying to address my response but I'm afraid he has missed my point. Nor am I refuting what scriptures you posted. I am like Dave pointed out trying to address the "spiritual" applications. Everyone here should know that the scriptures are often used as a defense to back up carnal ideas. I'm sorry it was missed. I have no guilt testing the scriptures, I just wish I had done it sooner because I know all the scriptures I used to allow carnal ill towards others. The Deuteronomy scripture is no different. Saying it was God's Law does not mean a person is going to act properly with it. We have countless Christians who have killed, tortured etc. all the while using scripture to back them up. Hope that clears some of the confusion up.

octoberose:
I don't believe that these scriptures in Exodus 21 are not to be taken literally. There were severe punishments for transgressions of the law so I don't know why one would equate these verses with Jesus' use of throwing your hand, eye, etc into the fire when he was talking about the heart. At the time Exodus was written, they needed to be taught to not OVER punish, but only an eye for an eye, not an eye for a Life, for example. It was justice for that time for that people. Leviticus 24:19, 20 says "If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him' fracture for fracture, eye for eye,  tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured. "
 Are these harsh? Well, yes, that's the point. Jewish people understood that sin needed to be atoned for, sacrificed for and punished. But now we have Jesus, who IS our atonement, our sacrifice, and endured our punishment. Do we stone our children to death? No, because Jesus bore that death with his own body. It is the most amazing story that will ever be told!

River:
 I would hope we wouldn't stone our kids at all. Not sure how many people really don't kill kids just because they think Jesus "bore that death with his own body." I really would hope that wouldn't be the only reason a person could come up with not to kill a kid. Even those who are unbelievers would be against stoning kids.

 9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page