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Poor in spirit
Kat:
Hi gk,
What you have said is absolutely right! That beast within each and every one of us is the most horrorable thing and you just go along living with it and thinking that's just the way it is and it is the way that the would is. But at some point God shows you who you truly are and you began to despise what you see. I have looked on the face of the beast that I am and believe me, my own actions have proved it to me. I struggled many years with not understanding why I would do such things, but you can't deny reality. Not until after I had been studying the truth for some time did I begin to find the answer and rest from my own troubling pass behavior.
It is quite earth shaking and quite devastating to realize that there is no deed of wickedness that you wouldn't comment if in the right circumstances. That is exactly what God wants us to realize and I believe like you said it takes actually experiencing it and God will give you that experience. Yes we all have to know, through experience, that we are a carnal fleshly ravaging wild beast, it is quite humbling when you fully understand it.
God's Spirit is the ONLY hope any of us have to be rescued from this body of dead.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
v. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Gina on December 17, 2011, 10:08:04 AM ---It sounds like you've met the beast or you wouldn't be terrified of him. But then I thought -- wait a minute -- are we supposed to be dwelling on that or the One who is greater? Greater is He Who is in you than he who is in the world. It's good to have a healthy estimation of ourselves, but I thought we were supposed to be thinking/dwelling/meditating on:
Philippians 4:8
...whatever is true, whatever is worthy of reverence and is honorable and seemly, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely and lovable, whatever is kind and winsome and gracious, if there is any virtue and excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think on and weigh and take account of these things [fix your minds on them].
It's hard to do, that's for sure. I hear, practice makes perfect. ;)
--- End quote ---
Hi Gina, and you're right.
But.
What about this view of the prism?
Does what you say make the beast any less true, any less ravaging?
To think on it isn't necessarily 'dwelling' on it, but, if that's where God puts our heart 'for a time'..........doesn't that do exactly what it is he wants?........makes him greater, more so, than we ever first believed?
Sounds necessary, at least to me it does.
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 17, 2011, 10:32:14 AM ---
Hi gk,
What you have said is absolutely right! That beast within each and every one of us is the most horrorable thing and you just go along living with it and thinking that's just the way it is and it is the way that the would is. But at some point God shows you who you truly are and you began to despise what you see. I have looked on the face of the beast that I am and believe me, my own actions have proved it to me. I struggled many years with not understanding why I would do such things, but you can't deny reality. Not until after I had been studying the truth for some time did I begin to find the answer and rest from my own troubling pass behavior.
It is quite earth shaking and quite devastating to realize that there is no deed of wickedness that you wouldn't comment if in the right circumstances. That is exactly what God wants us to realize and I believe like you said it takes actually experiencing it and God will give you that experience. Yes we all have to know, through experience, that we are a carnal fleshly ravaging wild beast, it is quite humbling when you fully understand it.
God's Spirit is the ONLY hope any of us have to be rescued from this body of dead.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
v. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Thank you Kat. When I go there, I'll look for your name etched in a rock or a board, then I'll know a friend has been there before me and I'll remember there is hope. Hmmm, sounds strikingly familiar, doesn't it? ;)
Deborah-Leigh:
gk you are feeling the pain.
From personal experiece, when once pain was so intense, it clicked the mind into a new thought ~ no matter what any human being ever does, can ever do or has ever done, I would not elect pain to be the remedy, THEN...the Mercy of kindness, compassion, forgiveness and understanding began to dawn....
666 will justify the agony, the Crucifixion of suffering.
The way of God is to turn that all around.
Yes, you were "for-known" before you were ever born
God's family, God's plan, God's universe would not be complete without YOU! No one can take your place. There is one of you and there will always only be one of you. You need to think about this and meditate on it. Too many people feel that their life is of little if any value. That's not true, you are so incredibly important to God that Jesus Christ voluntarily laid down His life on the cross, not because your sins had some power over God's life; not to pay some divine debt that you owed God, not to appease the wrath of God, not because He had to die for you, but because GOD LOVES YOU, and He would do anything to prove His eternal love and devotion for HIS FAMILY AND CHILDREN, of whom you are totally unique. http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm
JohnMichael:
Hi GK,
What others have said, and yourself, is absolutely right. The beast is the most detestable, disgusting, revolting, vile, and loathsome thing in the world. Yet, without God's intervention (His Spirit), that's exactly who we are.
The beast isn't just something IN us, it IS us. I am a beast; just like everyone who ever lived IS a beast. We only delude and deceive ourselves that it isn't there, or that it's just a part of us. One translation of Jeremiah says the heart is deceitfully wicked. Another says exceedingly weak. Both are accurate statements.
There have been times in the past, and even currently, when I don't even feel I can ask the Lord for the smallest thing because of how unworthy I am. You see yourself as you truly are, and you wonder, "How can I possibly even ask for mercy when what I really deserve is death?" It's a harrowing and humbling experience to the extreme. I can't speak for others, but for myself, it hasn't just been a one-time experience either.
For example, people always wants to point fingers at other people like Hitler, Suddam Hussein, etc. Let's talk about Hitler, as an example. He murdered approximately 11.5 million people because they didn't fit his "idea" of what the perfect human race was. The beast would deceptively declare, "Oh, I would never do that! That's just horrible!" Yet, have we ever been so angry with a person or a group of people that we would have just loved to wipe them off the face of the earth? "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he" (Prov 23:7). We didn't have the opportunity to put that thought into action, but the thought and desire was still there - therefore, we've done exactly what Hitler did.
In Him,
John
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