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Jesus: "the CREATED of the Father"
Kat:
Santgem, if you consider that the Son was "the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev 3:14) then He cannot be eternal, as eternity does not have a beginning. The Son is what God brought forth at the beginning/first of this creation, also He is the Alpha of this creation, the Son is all about this creation.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
The eternal God brought the Son forth/out and by that became the Father and the Son was not with the Father before that or God would not have needed to bring Him forth. Now before/beyond this creation, I have no idea what the Father is/has, but I have no doubt it is very very much more than just this. The Son is for this creation and He was brought forth for that purpose.
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
v. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on August 16, 2014, 03:57:12 PM ---God is not just a title. God is not a family.
God is One. God is unique. God is special.
How do I know this? The Scriptures.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me. Isa 43:10
I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior. Isa 43:11
...I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God. Isa 44:6
...Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one. Isa 44:8
...I am the LORD, Who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself. Isa 44:24
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me. Isa 45:5
That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isa 45:6
I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isa 45:18
And there is no God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me. Isa 45:21
For I am God, and there is no other. Isa 45:22
Those who have ears, let them hear.
--- End quote ---
Well I'll tell you what, These pieces of scripture have never made more sense than now!
Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isaiah 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" .... "there is none like me."(46:9)
Dave in Tenn:
John, that is the God I know and worship. I do not claim to BE Him. He has a name, and it's not mine. His NAME applies to Him, and the attributes of His Name to Him alone. Our God is the Most High. There is none like Him, and none beside Him.
No, GOD is not JUST a title. The word "god", however, IS a title. It's an English word. I knew it was an English word many years ago, but I didn't know it was a 'title' and not a 'name' until Ray Smith taught me. It is NOT WRONG to refer to a person by his title. It's just wrong to think that's his name.
From the Enigma of God paper.
JESUS IS JEHOVAH - For that is His NAME!
Holy Father, You have given Me Your Name; now protect them by the power of Your Name so that they will be united just as We are. (New Living Translation - 2007).
Holy Father, keep them in Your Name, which You Have given Me, that they may be one, even as we are one. (English Standard Version -2001).
Holy Father, keep them in Your Name, the Name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. (American Standard Bible),
Holy Father, keep them in Your Name - that Name which You have given Me, so that they shall be one, just as We are. (Aramaic Bible in Plain English).
Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of Your Name, the Name that You gave Me, so that their unity may be like Ours. (God's Word Translation - 1995)
Holy Father, keep them in Thy Name which Thou hast given Me, that they may be one as We. (Darby Bible Translation.
Holy Father, keep them true to Thy Name-the Name which Thou hast given Me to bear-that they may be one, even as We are. (Weymouth New Testament).
Holy Father, keep them through Your Name which You have given Me. that they may be one, even as We are. (New World English Bible)
Holy Father, protect them in Your Name, which You have given Me. (The New Testament According to the Eastern Texts By George M. Lamsa)
Holy Father, keep them in Your Name that You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are. (The New Testament Bible for Catholics)
Holy Father, keep them by the power of Thy Name which Thou hast given Me. (James Moffatt, A New Translation)
I have given them the honour that You gave Me, that they may be one, as we are one. (The New Testament in Modern English By J. B. Phillips)
Holy Father, watch over them on account of Your Own Name which You have given Me, in order that they may be one just as we are. (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania-THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES).
Holy Father, protect them in Your Name that You have given Me, so that they may be one, as we are one. (New Revised Standard Version)
Holy Father, protect them by the power of Your Name-the Name You gave to Me - so that they may be one as We are one. (Holy Bible New International Version).
Will nobody EVER be 'like' Him? (PLEASE note the 'marks')
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
or another translation:
1Jn 3:1 See what manner of love the Father has given us, that we may be called children of God. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are the children of God, and it was not yet revealed what we shall be. But we know that if He is revealed, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.
1Jn 3:3 And everyone having this hope on Him purifies himself even as that One is pure.
We can 'speculate' until the cows turn blue just how much and in what ways we will be 'like' him. John was rather clear in the rest of that 'chapter', but that is not the end of Scripture. For the record: I do not expect I'll EVER be other than a man and a member of 'man-kind'. But a man 'formed' in the image of God and Conformed to the image of His Son.
And if that's not 'family', I don't know what is.
Kat:
Theophilus, the meaning of 'from' as a preposition is - indicating the point in time at which a particular process, event, or activity starts. The meaning of 'of' as a preposition is - expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging.
Now in the phrase where Jesus stated "I came forth from the Father" I believe He is saying where or from Whom He received His existence, not that He is expressing that He came from as in separating from Him. That's what I believe...
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Joel:
These scriptures came to mind.
Ephesians 3:14-15
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Joel
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