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Jesus: "the CREATED of the Father"
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 21, 2014, 12:58:11 AM ---Alex, are we not even the tiniest bit 'there'? It's a process. We already ARE the sons of God, though not all of us are well-behaved.
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Only because God calls those things that are not as if they were. I know you know that scripture and the SUM of the Word is truth. Being part way there or 1% there doesn't give us the right to throw all caution to the wind and start confusing others by talking about our process of transformation as if its already complete.
Joel:
It certainly is the Spirit of God that keeps us looking toward Spiritual food, fellowship, and communion.
Jesus is the greatest example for us to follow without a doubt.
We are given more examples of those serving God and living according to Jesus's example such as Peter, James , John, Stephen, and many others record in the New Testament.
We can look at Paul, and read of his accomplishments because there is simply more written about him.
Paul was greatly lead of the Spirit, but there was that one thing that constantly nagged at him he called "a thorn in the flesh."
The Lord told him that GRACE is sufficient.
We all know that Jesus created everything by the will of the Father. He also created the angels and all the heavenly realm.
The angels are affected by sin, but from a different perspective from us. And that whole history of what went down in the heavenly realm before mankind was created is pretty vague.
It is good to discuss the things of God.
Malachi 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Joel
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on August 20, 2014, 10:07:06 PM ---Thank you Dennis,
Please spell for me the other word that Ray referenced with Ekklesia in that bible study. I could not determine it for myself.
Thank you, Indiana Bob
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No idea Bob.
Kat:
But those that are chosen were always His elect and cannot be lost, snatched from His hand (John 10:28-29).
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Not only are the chosen always the elect, but they are also considered sons of God.
Rom 8:12 Consequently, then, brethren, debtors are we, not to the flesh, to be living in accord with flesh,
v. 13 for if you are living in accord with flesh, you are about to be dying. Yet if, in spirit, you are putting the practices of the body to death, you will be living."
v. 14 For whoever are being led by God's spirit, these are sons of God." (CLV)
Rom 8:14 For, as many as by God’s Spirit are being led, the same, are God’s sons,— (Rotherham)
Yes it is a process, completed at the first resurrection. But they are already considered sons and daughters, but they will only realize this when the Spirit is indwelling and working in them. Then you come to 'know' God and you can worship/pray to the Father in Spirit and truth.
John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Kat on August 20, 2014, 10:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote --- Christ is EVERYTHING that the Father is,
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But God has bestowed on Jesus ALL THAT HE IS AND ALL THAT HE HAS,
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Rick, do you have Scripture for these 2 comments? If Christ is "everything" that the Father is, then are you saying they are one and the same? I don't believe that they are... the Son had a beginning, when He came forth. So throughout endless eternity what was the Father? Certainly there was something more to what He is than this creation... how/why could He bestow all that He has ever experienced on the Son?
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Rom 11:36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
Rev 3:14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
The Son was brought forth to be God for this creation, that was His beginning, that is His purpose. That does not make Him separate from the Father, He is that part/extension of the Father for this purpose. But I believe there is very much more to the Father than this creation.
John 14:28 You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Kat,
Here are two Scriptures in support that They are the same. Not the identical functions, but the same God.
Jesus is called...the exact representation of His nature. Heb 1:3
Of Jesus it is said...For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form. Col 2:9
Jesus is not 50% like the Father or 90%. Jesus is His exact image and representation, 100%.
Which is why Jesus said, I and Father are one. John 10:30
And Jesus said...He who has seen Me has seen the Father. John 14:9
I have collected over a hundred Scriptures that prove there is one God.
The Father and Jesus are different aspects of the One God. They do different things. But they are not separate.
God is much more powerful than we think. He can chew gum and skip rope at the same time.
He can be this invisible Spirit and Force that is everywhere and Who the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain. At the same time He can empty Himself and manifest Himself as a human being. One God.
This is why Ray in his article called Jesus God's autobiography. An autobiography reveals yourself, not another.
I believe God is leading His Elect few (and you know who you are) towards this understanding of the oneness of God. Truth cannot be contained.
But I do not like to see confusion or ill will in this discussion. I deeply regret if I have caused any. But the Truth will come by the will of God. Only God can bring this understanding to His Elect.
Someone in this thread stated that he didn't believe Jesus was God. ;D God still has his work to do.
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