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Spiritual body seperate from flesh
hillsbororiver:
I agree Jeremy, it is apparent that He could change his appearence and/or their perception of His appearence as they thought He was a stranger in town unaware of all that recently transpired;
Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and al the people:
Joe
ned:
--- Quote from: jerreye on July 26, 2006, 08:27:42 PM ---Hi all,I think if you add this all up, Jesus only APPEARED as a body of flesh and bone for the sake of the people.
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Hi,
I agree, I think Jesus appeared as a body of flesh and bone merely for the sake of the carnal people!
Verse:
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
I believe they SUPPOSED that they had seen a spirit, because they knew Jesus HAD DIED. I would certainly think I seen a spirit if my late father appeared before me. So, Jesus had to explain to them:
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Jesus had to come in flesh and bones so they could SEE him.
I think there is only ONE KIND of flesh for humans:
1Co 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
Mark16:12 "...He appeared in another form..." I think maybe the "other form" is still in the (human) flesh, but simply appearing as if someone else, because in Lukes' account, Luke 24:15-18 "And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. But their eyes were holden that they should not known him.....Are thou only a stranger in Jerusalem..." they just didn't recognize him, he appeared as just another man to them.
Marie
jerreye:
--- Quote from: Deedle on July 26, 2006, 09:17:55 PM ---Eph 5:30
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Hmmmm...
Deedle :)
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:-\ I am not too certain what your stance is on the subject, Deedle. Do you believe that Jesus IS literal flesh and bones? Maybe I am miss-reading you ;D
If this verse is to be taken literally, then am I a LITERAL member (maybe a hang-nail?) of His LITERAL flesh (ie: "...we are MEMBERS of His flesh and of His bones")? I see that as being spiritual. I believe I am a member of His spiritual body (hopfully at least a spiritual hang-nail!).
Cheers,
Jeremy
YellowStone:
I see that not all agree with my take on this.
If Jesus only "appeared" to them in the form of body so that they could see him, why would he have corrected his followers for thinking he was a spirit, for this is EXACTLY what they thought.
Luk 24:37 [/b]
* But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
One cannot ignore the fact that "they" thought Jesus was a spirit. (they could see him) Jesus, could have said: "Yes, it is I" But he didn't, he instead corrected them.
Luk 24:38
* And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?[/color]
He asked (I assume) why are such thoughts or thoughts such as this arising in your hearts. Why would he correct them?
Why then would he continue on and say:
Luk 24:39
* Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; [/color] for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. [/color]
Please do not ignore the following scripture, for I feel it is the key to much.
1Cr 15:44
* It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a[/color] spiritual body.
What is the importance of the "body"? For clearly Jesus emphasized it. Well, it could be that it died and was raised as a glorious, spiritual body as promised. :)
In John 2:19-21, Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews therefore said, 'It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But He was speaking of the temple of his body."
Even Paul speaks of the bodily form of Christ long after the resurrection and assension.
Col 2:9
* For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells[/color] bodily,(RSV)
Strong's Greek Lexicon
Bodily: 4984. somatikos so-mat-ee-kos' from 4983; corporeal or physical:--bodily. (My Strongs Exhaustive Concordance supports this rendering)
corporeal: having material or physical form or substance
And again in his first letter to Timothy, Paul states:
1Ti 2:4
* Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5
* For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men,[/color] the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6
* Who gave himself a ransom (his blood) for all, to be testified in due time. [/color]
I pray to God that I am being true to his words. I do not discount the fact that Jesus either changed the form of his body or prevented those seeing him from recognizing him.
But I truly believe that words such as: "I agree, I think Jesus appeared as a body of flesh and bone merely for the sake of the carnal people!" (sorry Marie) is taking liberty over what both Jesus and Paul instructed.
Literal can only be applied to the spiritual body of Jesus, for as Paul said:
1Cr 15:51
* Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [/color]
He didn't understand it (neither do I) but he understood that we will all be changed, but not yet.
May the God of us all give us wisdom and understanding.
With much Love.
Darren
orion77:
(1Co 15:50) And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood is not able to inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
(1Co 15:51) Behold, I speak a mystery to you: we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed.
(1Co 15:52) In a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet; for a trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed.
(1Co 15:53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(1Co 15:54) But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the Word that has been written, "Death was swallowed up in victory." Isa. 25:8
(1Co 15:55) "O death, where is your sting? Hades, where is your victory?" Hos. 13:14
(1Co 15:56) Now the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law;
(1Co 15:57) but thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
(1Co 15:58) So that, my beloved brothers, you be firm, immovable, abounding in the work of the Lord always, knowing that your labor is not without fruit in the Lord.
We have passed, from death (sleep), to life, and this life is in the Christ. We have been changed, new life, born again, new creation, to the Life and Light of Jesus. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law, but we have victory through the Christ, so we are no longer under the law, but grace.
Here in is why the second death can not have power over us, because we have already died, and now are alive in Christ, because our spirit witnesses to us, that Christ is in us. And to know Christ is life eternal. Some now, some later, but each in his own time, for the day will come that God will be all in all.
God bless,
Gary
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