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are there any discussions on why the "fall"was allowed
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on August 01, 2012, 09:56:07 AM ---Members,
Was the allowed and successful temptation of Adam and Eve in the Garden a stereotype of what we go thru every day - the more we succumb to deceit the more pain the more harder this life is [thorns and thistles]- that is until we are perfected
ian
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I don't know, Ian. The rain falls on the just and the unjust, and it seems like the opposite is often true...the more I overcome deceit the harder life is. It's been like that for me, anyway...but I'm a little wierd. Life and circumstances weren't 'Good' before I started repenting and caring about God and godliness, but at least I didn't have that. Now I actually have things to do, the Beast to dethrone, sins to repent of, character to build, houses are crumbling, stuff going on. Before I was just fat, dumb and...was going to say 'happy', but that's stretching it quite a bit. "Fat" is too, come to think of it. :)
I still grumble about the outside (I'm not much better off than I was four years ago), but its been a worth-while exchange on the inside. I reckon the outside has had something to do with that, too.
Is "Eve" stereotypical of any of that? I think so. Certainly we ate the same fruit.
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on August 01, 2012, 09:56:07 AM ---Members,
Was the allowed and successful temptation of Adam and Eve in the Garden a stereotype of what we go thru every day - the more we succumb to deceit the more pain the more harder this life is [thorns and thistles]- that is until we are perfected
ian
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Hi ian
It is truly mind boggling how words can cover a multitude of assumptions! lol ~ ;D
Take that word "allow" for example.
Here then are all the Biblical examples of what God “allows”:
“But as we were allowed [Gk: ‘approved’] of God to be put in trust with the gospel…” (I Thes. 2:4).
That’s it! That is the totality of everything in the Bible that God “allows.” http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
the truth:
Hello,Ian
God's Will
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I've heard allot of people ask the question what is Gods will for they're lives?
This is my question as well, what is Gods Will?
Is it our own will?
If we live a holy life wont we be in the Will of God what ever we do?
Could you please give me some in site on this question, I've read all of your writings and its caused me to search for answers more than ever.
I've found that in the past ,I've more less believed the teachings of others and never read the bible for myself. Its great to read and see that the bible is nothing like I've been taught. I'm tired of living according to teachers ,preachers . I want to live according to what God wants, and what the Bible actually teaches.Your site has been very informative.Thanks T
Dear Teresa:
If you will read or reread my four-part series on "The Myth of Free Will Exposed," you will know a great deal about the will of God. I am now going to teach you something very very profound, so listen carefully:
EVERYTHING that happened in your life, in the past, WAS God's purpose for your life at that time.
EVERYTHING that will happen in your life, in the future, WILL BE God's purpose for you at that time.
Then why do anything? Why try? Why care? Why be good? Why study? Why pray? For WHAT?
Here is where viritually all Christians and all theologians and all ministers turn their minds off.
What you did in the past was influenced and caused by your environment of the past.
What you do in the future will be influenced and caused by your environment of the future.
What you are hearing and learning from bibletruths.com is one of those environmental
happenings that will have an effect on your future. You may not see how, but God does.
If God is choosing you as one of the called/chosen/elect/few, then you WILL respond
to the information and circumstances that God Himself will be directing in your life.
If you desire to stop sinning and start obeying God, then that being CAUSED in your
heart and mind, and you have no idea were and when it really began. God knows.
This is a subject for a 300 page book, not a short email. Hope you understand. Keep reading.
God be with you,
Ray
Ian 155:
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil. Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Folks .. I am getting there,we are given certain instructions just like Adam and Eve were given instruction - Sometimes the things I want to do I don't... No explanation ,
By most replys,Gods Will, it seems is for us to do/listen to, these instructions listed above or does God allow for incompetence without judgement
I underlined Allow especially for you Arc :)) strong verse that ...thanks
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Gina on August 02, 2012, 07:01:25 AM ---I think I see what you're saying, Ian. I'm not sure I can mirror back to you clearly what I see, but I will try, so bear with me, because this is an interesting topic and one that hits close to my heart.
It sounds like you're asking: would this be the approach that God uses with us each time we stumble and fall every day of our lives?
My understanding is, if you are the elect of God, it is not possible to be deceived by Satan ever again. Yes, we will still sin; but I don't believe that God drives the elect from the "Tree of Life," but rather He gives us the ability to repent through his kindness -- that is what leads to repentance after all. And He doesn't stop there--no! He goes on to CLEANS US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS so we can obey Him; so that we go on to actually DO what's RIGHT. (In my case as it was yesterday - praying for those who persecute us and treat us badly.)
If you believe [obey] God you will not be treated like someone who doesn't believe God. See, Eve didn't believe God; she believed the lie because she was deceived
You will be TEMPTED TO BELIEVE THE LIE, but it will not be possible for you to believe because God won't let you believe it.
If you are the elect, you won't believe the lie and you won't be driven from the Tree of Life; and God will not be asking you "where are you, Ian?" because you know where you are and how you got there--right? No need to ask or try and figure it out, right? (And yes, I know that God isn't asking "where are you" as if He doesn't know himself; of course He does; but when we're steeped in sin and disobedient, we don't know--so He asks us "where are you?" As if to say, You're not where you ought to be.")
Hebrews 4
1 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”
5 And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
. . .
9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, [God's people are not driven away from the Tree of Life by God like Adam and Eve were, and there are no thorns and thistles on that Tree. :)]
10 for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his [own] works as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest [sounds a little oxymoronic - "strive to enter rest"--it's like, huh? what?], so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Jesus the Great High Priest
14 Since then we [the elect, not those who don't really believe God] have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. [1 Tim 4:10 For this we labor and suffer reproach because we trust in the living God, Who is the savior of ALL men, especially those that believe [believe God].]
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us then with confidence [boldly] draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
We die to self daily. Daily we are saved by grace through faith. Each day we are judged [ if you judge YOURSELF you will not be condemned (like Adam and Eve were) with the world ] Are we coming out of the world? Or are we going along with the lies? I am not going along with the lies but when I am tempted and if I DO sin, I know that I have an advocate who is familiar with the temptation to sin, yet without sinning, who understands my weaknesses and to whom I can draw near to for well-timed help just when I need it, so let us draw boldly to the throne of grace (this couldn't be more fitting a subject for the day I had today! I get so scared sometimes, so this is really helpful for me to talk about, Ian--what a blessing to me this subject is.) We believe God , who is TEACHING us with kindness that leads to repentance (in attitude and action) so we can overcome our sin. "Sin shall no longer have dominion over you."
And if we are the elect, then we need to be given access to the "Tree of Life." Right? I mean, Adam and Eve were driven from the Tree of Life so that they couldn't live, right? But if Christ lives in us then though we are dead, we live; or rather Christ lives in us.
Tell me if that makes any sense, Ian, or anyone!
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perfect sence Gina, Its application ...
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