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Satan's "Half" Lie/Truth??
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 27, 2012, 11:31:56 PM ---Did they "know" they were naked in Gen 2:25? There was nothing wrong with their eyes. They could look at themselves and each other and "see". They were unashamed. Why? Because they didn't know any better or different. They had no knowledge of good and evil.
Did Eve "know" about the tree? It was planted in the middle of the garden so they would not miss it, and it looked awful good to them. Did Eve know about the commandment? Yes, she did. Did she know what was in her heart to do? Yes, "And seeing is the woman that the tree is good for food, and that it brings a yearning to the eyes, and is to be coveted as the tree to make one intelligent." Lust of the Flesh, Lust of the Eye, the Pride of Life. So we can't say Eve knew nothing. She knew the tree, she knew the commandment, she knew what was in her heart to do. When the temptation came, she did what was in her heart to do.
The CLV translates Gen 3:7 And unclosing are their eyes, they two, and knowing are they that they are naked. And sewing are they fig leaves and making for themselves girdle skirts." No longer not knowing better or different. No longer 'unashamed'. The knowledge of Good and Evil.
The LORD removes them from the garden and tells them what life is going to be like. That is the EXPERIENCE of evil "whereby to humble" them, all the days of their lives. There is also the knowledge of Good in the fruit of the tree. It doesn't come without the knowledge of evil. Niether does the knowledge of evil come without the knowledge of good. It takes both.
One more thought that might be helpful, assuming any of the above has been. :-\ God doesn't 'allow' evil, or 'turn evil into good', but INTENDS evil FOR good. He's never thwarted, and always wins in the end.
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VERY HELPFUL DAVE. thanks for the clarity. I build and grow to a fuller understanding of the scriptures.
and oh the wisdom we need to see that God "intends evil for Good"! Thanks for that, i will keep that in prayer. That's a hard saying! ;D ;D ;D. yet True
thanks Dave
Eugene
Gina:
Everybody
For whatever it's worth coming from me, Dave that was phenomenal.
God gives us this day our daily bread, etc. Let's do that again soon.
onelovedread:
Is there a really difference between what Marques and Dave said?
newgene87:
"There was nothing wrong with their eyes. They could look at themselves and each other and "see". "
"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come in this world, they they which see not, might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And of the Pharisees which were with Him heard these words, and said unto Him, ARE WE BLIND ALSO? Jesus said unto them, "If ye were blind, you should have not sin: but now you say WE see; therefore your sin remains." (John 9:39-41)
So were they "literally" blind? no. Where they spiritually and figuratively blind? surely. Was Jesus going to "literally" blind people? of course not
idk, Ray also taught that the scriptures were a parable. And Ray quoted Rev 3:17 with Adam and Eve. that they were "naked, blind and wretched". So Jesus tells the Laodicens to "anoint their eyes...that the may SEE" - so they were "literally" blind?
"Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not." (Isa 6:9). So wouldnt they only "perceive" till after their eyes were opened? so that would make them spiritually blind right?
I was following Ray on the "blind" deal.
and yes there was a difference. and im guessing I contradicted all the scriptures i quoted?
aye, another learning experience ;)
Eugene
newgene87:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on August 28, 2012, 09:07:42 AM ---"There was nothing wrong with their eyes. They could look at themselves and each other and "see". "
"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come in this world, they they which see not, might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And of the Pharisees which were with Him heard these words, and said unto Him, ARE WE BLIND ALSO? Jesus said unto them, "If ye were blind, you should have not sin: but now you say WE SEE; therefore your sin remains." (John 9:39-41)
So were they "literally" blind? no. Where they spiritually and figuratively blind? surely. Was Jesus going to "literally" blind people? of course not
idk, Ray also taught that the scriptures were a parable. And Ray quoted Rev 3:17 with Adam and Eve. that they were "naked, blind and wretched". So Jesus tells the Laodicens to "anoint their eyes...that the may SEE" - so they were "literally" blind?
"Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not." (Isa 6:9). So wouldnt they only "perceive" till after their eyes were opened? so that would make them spiritually blind right?
I was following Ray on the "blind" deal.
and yes there was a difference. and im guessing I contradicted all the scriptures i quoted?
aye, another learning experience ;)
Eugene
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