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Ian 155:
Deu 31:6  Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

Do You believe the scriptures -

Heb 13:5  Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Do You believe the scriptures -

To Us ignoramuses we should not attempt to despise his word and to show ourselves knowledgeable, but when we speak things we do not know this borders on heresy

YES even in Death he goes with you HE NEVER LEAVES YOU NOR FAILS YOU NOR FORSAKES YOU

WE all come to the point where it SEEMS like this God Has Forsaken us

BUT WHAT SAY THE SCRIPTURES

AGAIN  - DO YOU BELIEVE

pleasure

thewatchman:

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The way you phrased what you said makes it look as if Jesus was praying to Himself, ,,,why have You forsaken Me?".  Jesus wasn't praying to Himself, He was praying the words the Father God caused Him to pray to the Father.  Jesus is not His own Father.  Yes, the Father and the Son are one, but think of it like an Orchestra -- there's one company of musicians made up of many members.

(Did you love that Enigma paper?   I did.)

Gina

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Yet John 5 says no-one has seen or heard of the Father.

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a little misquote there isnt it??? "...ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape." (5:37) how does that refer to "no on" heard of the Father??

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A little paraphrase that does not change the words nor meaning of the scripture. No-one had ever seen direct evidence of the Father. The only evidence that we have that the Father ever existed is Jesus himself. It was Jesus in the cool of the garden, Jesus at the cleft of the rock. Yet everyone who doesn't understand their relationship which is infinite are always trying to separate the 2 with finite understanding, while Jesus himself said they are one. We know him as Jesus because he manifested himself before us like that. Before, he was EL. He couldn't turn up before us like that or we would be consumed, but always himself.

Kat:

Hi thewatchman,

I think of it like this, the Father and Son are in perfect Oneness with each other in Spirit and Mind. We will always know Jesus Christ as a figure that has the highest position in/of this creation, only the Father exceeds Him. But Jesus being in the perfect 'image' of the Father does not make Him the Father, can't be, because the Father is His source of power. Another thing is whatever the Father has learned or developed or whatever before this creation, Jesus Christ was not there from eternity. The Father is eternal and Jesus Christ is not, so Jesus does not have all the background experience (whatever that might be) that the Father does. Jesus Christ recognizes the Father as His God. So there is a difference in them.


Gina, let me just add another thought. Jesus was suffering intensely from all He had been through, He was at the point of death and was ready to proceed to that... He was making a rhetorical comment to His Father, I think He was saying why am I lingering, why won't you just finish this for My sake (all the sufferings He was enduring). So He was not saying why have You forsaken/left/abandon Me... He just wanted the suffering to end and was asking the Father to carry this on through and He (the Father) certainly heard Him and did end it.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

lilitalienboi16:
Excuse me for the pun here but..

Marques nailed it!

The Son was not forsaken by His Father nor did He have any doubts of why He came, who He was or what He was to do.

To add to what John said, this is a bad spirit to be taking on.

God bless,

Alex

Ian 155:
OK forgive me but I am inclined to see the whole event as a parable -

where we become helpless,scorned ,spat on, where we have our hands nailed down and cannot use them [works ] we have our feet nailed down and cannot walk -  our gut [side] is torn, we are helpless and no works can save us, we are then raised up as sons of the living God,and walk in power as did Jesus, I see the scripture Jesus screamed 'why have you forsaken me' but is this not the route we all go on ? then the power of the living God causes us to rise up ?

I gave 2 witnesses earlier and cannot find any witness for God Forsaking his plan .... or have I totally lost it ??

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