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John 5:37
Rene:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on May 05, 2014, 12:30:34 PM ---
Actually, that is the form of the visible God. God made man in His (God's) image. Humans look like God.
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My understanding is that God is making man in His image. I do not believe this is talking about a "physical" image.
1Cor 15:49-50 - "And, even as we have borne the image of the man of earth, let us also bear the image of the man of heaven. And this I say, brethren —that, flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom. Neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Col 3:9-10,12 - "having stript off the old man, together with his practices, And having put on the new—who is being moulded afresh unto personal knowledge, after the image of Him that hath created him,— Put on, therefore, as men chosen of God, holy and beloved, tender affections of compassion, graciousness, lowliness of mind, meekness, long-suffering"
Rom 1:23 - " And exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God, for the likeness of an image of a corruptible man..."
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on May 05, 2014, 02:40:04 PM ---Exodus 33:20
Thou canst not: This is well explained by Rabbi Jehudah, in Sepher Cosri (P. iv. § 3): "Of that divine glory mentioned in the Scripture, there is one degree which the eyes of the prophets were able to explore; another which all the Israelites saw, as the cloud and consuming fire; the third is so bright, and so dazzling, that no mortal is able to comprehend it; but should anyone venture to look on it, his whole frame would be dissolved." In such inconceivable splendour is the Divine Majesty revealed to the inhabitants of the celestial world, where he is said to "dwell in the light which no man can approach unto" (1Ti_6:16). By the "face of God," therefore, we are to understand that light inaccessible before which angels may stand, but which would be so insufferable to mortal eyes, that no man could see it and live
anyone agree ?
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No I disagree. I do not need the opinion of any man when truth is established by at least two Scriptures.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Rene on May 05, 2014, 06:16:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on May 05, 2014, 12:30:34 PM ---
Actually, that is the form of the visible God. God made man in His (God's) image. Humans look like God.
--- End quote ---
My understanding is that God is making man in His image. I do not believe this is talking about a "physical" image.
1Cor 15:49-50 - "And, even as we have borne the image of the man of earth, let us also bear the image of the man of heaven. And this I say, brethren —that, flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom. Neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Col 3:9-10,12 - "having stript off the old man, together with his practices, And having put on the new—who is being moulded afresh unto personal knowledge, after the image of Him that hath created him,— Put on, therefore, as men chosen of God, holy and beloved, tender affections of compassion, graciousness, lowliness of mind, meekness, long-suffering"
Rom 1:23 - " And exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God, for the likeness of an image of a corruptible man..."
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The Scriptures speak of spiritual bodies too. As Paul said, there is a physical body and then there is a spiritual body.
Jesus is called the visible image of God. Therefore He has a form and can be seen in His Spiritual body and can appear in a physical body, as He did multiple times in both the Old and New Testaments. By two or three witnesses let every word be established.
Of course, His Father is the invisible God, Who cannot be seen or heard, Who is beyond our senses. The Father, the invisible God can only be revealed by the visible God, Jesus, which multiple Scriptures attest.
No one can provide two Scriptures that reveal the Father has an image or can be heard by us. Jesus Himself said so.
If we believe the Scriptures, understanding of these matters comes easy. But most reject the Scriptures, and follow the opinions of some Rabbi or other man. God alone reveals Himself through His Scriptures and His Spirit within us.
indianabob:
Indiana Bob's view point, a few random thoughts.
We don't have an illustration of what God is or what God looks like to prove anything. All that has been revealed could very well be visions in the heads of those who "saw" something or a manifestation of a man made for the express visitation.
We may for the present assume that God invented the form of a human for the purpose of mobility and the sharing of communication between beings in a gaseous atmosphere.
God's spirit can manifest anything God wants to reveal including clouds, fiery pillars, angels in chariots etc. Most of these things could be brought into existence for a temporary use and simply disappear once again. The spirit in man that gives life, returns to God who gave it at the death of the person.
God may use anthropomorphism as a means of communication without being in any way deceptive. God is sovereign and may withhold full information for God's own purpose. AND because we are not ready to know of it...
We know that Jesus was a physical man and we are told that Jesus will appear on the earth once more in that form; so humans can see him (?). That in and of itself does not prove that Jesus is confined to that form. OR that the form of a man is the natural state of an immortal being after the change to immortality.
That God can illustrate God or manifest God in a form to which humans can relate, does not prove that the form we see or the form we imagine from a word picture are the actual basic or underlying fact.
God did not need God's self as a model to copy when God made Adam or when God made the second Adam, the Lord Jesus. It is quite likely that God exist in a manner that we have NOT imagined and that has not been revealed to any but the son of God the man, the Lord Jesus when Jesus was changed to immortality and ascended.
I think it is quite likely that God is withholding many secrets from us and that we will spend at least the beginning of eternity being regularly thrilled and impressed with our Father's power and inventiveness.
santgem:
Greetings!
In my opinion i think we will have an image in a form of a spiritual man in the resurrection and immortality.
But, Jesus said that we will be like an angel in the resurrection;
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mat 22:30
But the angel is made of flaming fire;
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: Psa 104:4
and we will be having like image of the heavenly, like angels;
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.1Co 15:49
But according to Paul, we will be like Jesus;
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:2
and when John saw Jesus, He was like the Son of man;
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; Rev 1:1314
as when God has an image and created the man according to His own image, i think it is the most wonderful, beautiful and perfect form that God had in mind.
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