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John 5:37
Dennis Vogel:
The key here is we do not yet know what this image is:
--- Quote ---But according to Paul, we will be like Jesus;
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:2
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Kat:
I can see that the Son was brought forth into being to look a certain way from His starting point the beginning of this creation. He is what the Father (it's hard to put a name on what God the Father is, certainly cannot be contained within a being, but Father works because that's what Christ called Him) is using for everything concerning this creation, His image as well.
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and FOR Him (the Son).
Every place in all the Scriptures posted that described the Son is as a man, even in the spiritual state He has the shape of a man; arms, feet, waist, face and eyes. Now these Scripture give me enough proof to know what the Son looks like, so that I can believe it.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
The way I read this, it says the begotten "sons of God" though they do "not yet appear" now as such or as they will be then... "but we know" at His second coming we will be "like Him" in His glorious state of being. Then they can look on the face of His glory and live, because they have life and will have been "raised a spiritual body" and all my translations have "body" there.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
v. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
v. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Ian 155:
that quote was frm King James commentary on e sword ...... so we fire the Rabbi
moving on
"Who is the image of the inuisible God, the first borne of every creature KjV and ..... we will be like him".
2nd witness 1 Jn 3v2 = Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear(in Us ), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is...
theophilus:
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--- Quote from: santgem on May 05, 2014, 12:49:16 AM ---I was wondering that God has an image even before "the Word made flesh" and "Moises saw the back parts of God." :)
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A 'Man' wrestled with Jacob all night and this I believe was a literal event that happened, yet represents a parable about Israel.
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now there is some good food,thanks Kat - like a wow moment
Also I think, back to the topic, the key word here is seen" if you have seen me you have seen the Father" - "I and the father are one" seek and ye shall find - knock and the door (to the kingdom) shall be opened,the father is pleased to shew you the kingdom etc it is not the sight of carnal eye but the spiritual sight we are after - as in open my eyes that i may see - is the key...like Ray said keep asking ,begging.God Jesus Is the fire that purifies us,how do we match up loooong way to go
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--- Quote from: Rene on May 05, 2014, 06:16:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on May 05, 2014, 12:30:34 PM ---
Actually, that is the form of the visible God. God made man in His (God's) image. Humans look like God.
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My understanding is that God is making man in His image. I do not believe this is talking about a "physical" image.
1Cor 15:49-50 - "And, even as we have borne the image of the man of earth, let us also bear the image of the man of heaven. And this I say, brethren —that, flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom. Neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Col 3:9-10,12 - "having stript off the old man, together with his practices, And having put on the new—who is being moulded afresh unto personal knowledge, after the image of Him that hath created him,— Put on, therefore, as men chosen of God, holy and beloved, tender affections of compassion, graciousness, lowliness of mind, meekness, long-suffering"
Rom 1:23 - " And exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God, for the likeness of an image of a corruptible man..."
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You got it Rene.
"Humans look like God?" Are there two witnessing verses that support this statement?
Are we to understand that Jesus was saying that He and His Father are like identical twins? "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" I don't think Jesus is referring to His physical appearance. I think Jesus is referring to the image He was putting forth as He obeyed His Father and lived a godly life. Throngs of people SAW Jesus. Did they see the Father in Jesus? I don't think so. That's why "Jesus replied, HAVE I BEEN WITH YOU FOR SO LONG, AND YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ME, Phillip"? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
The scribes and Pharisees didn't SEE or RECOGNIZE the Father in Jesus. John 5.19: They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.
Remember the saying "Like father like son"? In the Lord's case it is "Like Son like Father", since we haven't seen the Father. It is by SEEING/KNOWING the Son that we come to know what His (our) Father is like.
theophilus:
Hear, hear Indianabob!
God could have given us another appearance, say like any science fiction alien looks like. And Jesus would have come into this world having that alien appearance too. That appearance is irrelevant. What is relevant is our character, our spiritual makeup.
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