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AwesomeSavior:
Indiana Bob:

You are an excellent role model for all of us. Thank you for your insightfulness. Hebrews 13:17 comes to mind: "Believe them that are highly esteemed, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

God Bless.

Ian 155:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on May 18, 2014, 05:23:55 PM ---
Jesus is God's autobiography, I immediately understood what Ray was saying.

It doesn't take great intelligence to understand, just knowledge of what the English word "autobiography" means.


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Chapter and verse please ..

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exists."

Ian 155:
Interesting - Col 1:15

The Greek for "firstborn" is proto with tikto which would give us "firstborn," and that is what we find here in Colossians 1:15. The Greek for "first created" would be proto with ktizo, and it is not used here.

Second, the biblical use of the word "firstborn" is most interesting. It can mean the first born child in a family (Luke 2:7), but it can also mean "pre-eminence." In Psalm 89:20, 27 it says, "I have found David My servant; with My holy oil I have anointed him . . . I also shall make him My first-born" (NASB). As you can see, David, who was the last one born in his family, was called the firstborn by God. This is a title of preeminence.
Third, firstborn is also a title that is transferable:

•Gen. 41:51-52, "And Joseph called the name of the first-born Manasseh: For, said he, God hath made me forget all my toil, and all my fatherī's house. And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath made me fruitful in the land of my affliction" (NASB)
 
•Jer. 31:9, " . . . for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn (NASB)."
Scripture best interprets scripture. Firstborn does not require a meaning of first created  "Firstborn" can mean the first born person in a family, and it can also be a title of preeminence which is transferable.  That is obvious since Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14) and is also the first born son of Mary.  In addition, He is the pre-eminent one in all things.

AND WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM

Kat:


--- Quote from: santgem on May 20, 2014, 12:23:30 AM ---Greetings everyone!

Trivia!

      Did you know that after Jesus comes out of the Father, God the Father can not create things without Jesus Christ............ ???huh!??????what...%^&*()_%$#@!_+(*&DUH!!!! ::) :-\ :( ;)
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I'm thinking you are referring to this Scripture.

Col 1:16  For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

I understand your comment, but I don't see how this puts any limits on the Father.  I consider it this way, that Jesus Christ was brought forth to be the Creator of THIS creation, that is the "all things" the Scripture is speaking of. The Son was brought to be as that part of the Father (God) for the purpose of this creation, it is "for Him." The Father chose to do it this way, but that was His determination, not a limitation of how He had to do it and certainly does not limit Him in any other way.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

p.s. We are all studying deeply into the Scripture in search of the truth, it is a blessing to be able to study here together with like minded people until we all come into the unity of faith in God.

Eph 4:13  until all of us are united in the faith and in the full knowledge of God's Son, and until we attain mature adulthood and the full standard of development in the Messiah.

Joel:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I think God spoke and that created Jesus Christ the Word as we know him.
When Jesus was ministering he always spoke the Word and that brought the results, the same as in the beginning at creation, "Let there be..."

Joel

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