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The great false church
theophilus:
John 2:16-17 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
16 He told those who were selling the doves, “Take these things out of here! Stop making my FATHER'S HOUSE a MARKETPLACE!” 17 His disciples remembered that it was written, “ZEAL for your HOUSE will CONSUME ME.”
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple [my Father's house] of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body [temple/Father's house].
lareli:
Riddles I agree that they are fooled and deceived. I think maybe that's why I don't feel threatened or offended by them.. I know they blaspheme God with their doctrine but it's easy to not be offended by their doctrine once one understands that they're not aware of what they're doing. I think some opinions around here are that the church actually knows that they're blaspheming and that they're purposely and knowingly leading the flock astray.. I don't see it that way.
On another note.. Does anyone think that a church's position on war and violence has anything to do with it being the great false church? We are blessed to have BT but throughout the centuries there wasn't a BT for believers. But they're has always been the doctrine of non violence plain as day in the sermon on the mount. Just War doctrine made it possible for churches/christians to support the military and war. It made a loophole to obeying Christ's commands on non violence. Hence the 'why do you call me Lord but don't do what I say?'
lareli:
Heres an excerpt from one of Rays audios..
I knew a lovely man when I was in Worldwide. He came down and gave some Bible studies for us and I really did love the man. His name was Ray too. But he made the comment once… now he understood about universal reconciliation, he just did not get the spirit. He said, ‘we can be thankful we live in a nation and in a time where we are not persecuted.’ And he said, ‘I’ve never been persecuted.’ Guess what? He was not living completely Godly in Christ Jesus, that’s why.
When you always do what’s right, you will be persecuted and probably by some of your closes friends. Maybe your wife or husband, your mother or father, your children or neighbors or working associates. Not the least of which is your own brethren in the church will persecute you, if you always do everything that is right.
They say - Oh we’re going to make little ribbons and hang them on the trees, to say bless our soldiers, may they kill many Arabs today.
You say - well I don’t want to do that.
Them - what?
You - I don’t think it’s right that we do that.
Them - well what’s with you? You’re not patriotic? You don’t believe in killing?
You - no.
If you don’t think you will be persecuted, I’ll tell you that you will be persecuted.
Throughout history people have "come out of her" because they recognized the hypocrisy of the church's support of a state institution and war... These people may never have known about hell or free will being blasphemous but they did indeed come out of the church's because they could see that the church taught opposite what Christ taught when it came to violence.
Dennis Vogel:
About the churches:
Php 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
indianabob:
Thank you Dennis,
Understanding comes only with long experience and testing and the gift of a mature mind based upon practice and appreciation of the fact that God works with all manner of people and circumstances His work to perform.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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