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The great false church
Dennis Vogel:
Is Jer 50:6 talking about the "Church?"
Jer 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
acomplishedartis:
Personally I would rather prefer social interaction and face to face interaction with non-religious fine individuals
than with totally deceived church rats.
(because of many reasons)...
Riddles:
Largeli - I wish I'd copy-pasted what a Messianic Jew once said to me when he walked me through the identity of "the wicked" because it made sense, brought peace and I haven't found if L. Ray wrote about it.
The default "my country, right or wrong" pro-war stance speaks to spiritual cowardice (it's only OK in U.S. to be anti war if you have no political, media or religious voice) on the part of pastors and congregants. Because the chief concern of these churches made with hands, it appears, is to perpetuate themselves, the preachers HAVE to tickle ears and not alienate their public - scriptures be damned. These churches get government tax exemptions that they just CAN'T turn down, so basically every church is in the government's pocket, spiritually (Rev. 17:2). These pastors need money from churchgoers like TV studios need ratings. The real teachings of Jesus weren't popular in His time on earth, and they aren't very popular now. Goliath is this world's sociopolitical structure.
I was listening to a podcast from a guy who happens to be atheist. He pointed out that there are probably far more people in the world who adopt sociopathic traits than are textbook sociopaths. He said that a guy who sells a used recreational vehicle off of his lot for $16,000 (though it's worth $4,000) to an elderly couple, goes home and thinks of himself as a great salesman, not as a schmuck. I think this relates to your comment. If we don't judge ourselves, then we do whatever we want and then invent excuses in order to live with ourselves. So it is with wolves in the visible church.
But, largeli, I think that there were individuals and groups of people in the last almost 2,000 years that put 2 and 2 together - but outside of scripture the story and beliefs of those persecuted aren't widely understood. So L. Ray isn't the first to notice and write about the scriptural truths that bring us here.
Theophilus - Back when I was still checking out local churches, I noticed that some of them sold things in the lobby area (not in the pews, that would be gauche!). One church has an espresso and pastry cart. On your first visit to their church service, you got a free coffee of your choice. This church of course taught all sorts of false doctrines and de-emphasized scripture reading. The people were super nice, but it felt like a love bombing tactic to make me feel understood and at home. At least Esau was actually starving (Gen 25). Imagine giving up your birthright for a mocha latte. :-[
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Riddles on June 29, 2014, 09:49:51 PM ---Theophilus - Back when I was still checking out local churches, I noticed that some of them sold things in the lobby area. One church has an espresso and pastry cart. On your first visit to their church service, you got a free coffee of your choice. This church of course taught all sorts of false doctrines and de-emphasized scripture reading. At least Esau was starving (Gen 25). Imagine giving up your birthright for a mocha latte. :-[
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A mocha latte is much less than a stew! No Winchell donuts???
But seriously, we are to be inmensly grateful for having been revealed the truth about these things. Thank the Lord God that it pleased Him to do it.
Joel:
It's obvious that the physical Church of the old covenant is no longer in existence, having been destroyed around 70 A.D.
And that the Church that Jesus Christ is building has never had the gates of hell to prevail against it.
There are however many similarities when comparing the two, such as the evil, and corruption, and false idols that permeate both.
God has never left himself without a witness that has stayed true to him throughout the many hundreds of years, and only God knows for sure who they are.
Joel
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