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The Enigma: Jesus Christ our Master and our God
Duane:
lilitalianboy:
Jesus said on the cross: My God, My God! Why hast Thou forsaken Me?
As Ray said: "Jesus has/had a God.
Jesus didn't say: "Myself, Myself! Why have I forsaken Me?
God did nothing of Himself--He did ALL creation THRU His Son, Jesus; that Jesus get ALL the praise and credit for it.
Jesus was to be revered AS God so He did not correct the person you mentioned.
Jesus is EQUAL to God, as you quoted the scripture and that is what God intended.
However, there is ONE GOD and ANOTHER that is mediator between God and man--Jesus!
Now the holy spirit is even MORE complicated because this GIFT represents the SPIRIT of Jesus, passed down at birth, from God. Even GOD needs a spirit to live---this spirit is HOLY--thus the HOLY SPIRIT that indwells the believer.
Ray has an excellent article on this--or I wouldn't have known it (or almost everything else I know!)
John from Kentucky:
Jesus is both Lord and God. John 20:28
...there is no God but one. 1Cor 8:4
yet for us there is one God: the Father...and...Jesus... 1Cor 8:6
However, not everyone knows this... 1Cor 8:7
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Duane on July 25, 2014, 03:47:33 PM ---lilitalianboy:
Jesus said on the cross: My God, My God! Why hast Thou forsaken Me?
As Ray said: "Jesus has/had a God.
Jesus didn't say: "Myself, Myself! Why have I forsaken Me?
God did nothing of Himself--He did ALL creation THRU His Son, Jesus; that Jesus get ALL the praise and credit for it.
Jesus was to be revered AS God so He did not correct the person you mentioned.
Jesus is EQUAL to God, as you quoted the scripture and that is what God intended.
However, there is ONE GOD and ANOTHER that is mediator between God and man--Jesus!
Now the holy spirit is even MORE complicated because this GIFT represents the SPIRIT of Jesus, passed down at birth, from God. Even GOD needs a spirit to live---this spirit is HOLY--thus the HOLY SPIRIT that indwells the believer.
Ray has an excellent article on this--or I wouldn't have known it (or almost everything else I know!)
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Can you explain to me the fact that the Word was made flesh and the Word was God? Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
Edit: I don't disagree that Jesus has a God, that the Father is greater than the Son, and that Jesus Christ is our Mediator but I do disagree with your idea that Jesus Christ is not God.
Dave in Tenn:
"God" is not a name. The Father's name is not "GOD". "God" is a title. GOD is a family.
That Jesus is mediator doesn't mean that He is not GOD. It means that He was MAN.
Cheekie, I think your understanding is solid, but I caution you and everybody that the "heaven of the heavens" can't contain Him. All I can add is 'whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely--think on these things". Our 'heavens' continue to grow.
Kat:
Hi Duane,
I will add a Scripture to those already posted that clearly shows the Son that became flesh was God.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
When the Son was "made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death" (Heb 2:9) He was not remove from being God! He had His divinity/glory removed so that He could die... He certainly remained God with us.
John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
--- Quote ---However, there is ONE GOD and ANOTHER that is mediator between God and man--Jesus!
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That is not the way that Scripture reads.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, one Mediator also between God and men, Himself man, Christ Jesus.
The "one God" here, as Dave was saying it's speaking of the one God family, not of a single being holding that name. Now "one Mediator" is speaking of just one single being that holds that position.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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