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144.000 ?
Kat:
Mike I think the 144,000 could be considered a title just as, the chosen elect, the body of Christ, sheep, branches of the vine, the temple of the Holy Spirit, the bride of Christ, New Jerusalem, etc. is... I also think they are the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders (Rev 5:6-10) are as well. Lots of titles and lots of symbolism.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
Hi Alex! You can spiritually discern this number? Then please explain! Any spiritual discernment LRay had he explained! Please explain it to me! Show me how you compare this this number spiritually with spiritually? Please! I think most of us who are new here only know what we know because of what we read on LRays web sites! Seeing how you seem to know please explain your discernment on this? Thank you! Much needed.
Mike Gagne:
Alex this is Lrays statement taking from the post Kat posted!......That’s CHRIST! These are honors and rewards bestowed upon us by Christ. The 144,000 (12 x 12, complete foundational kingdom of God’s government for the new world) are given the Father’s name in their foreheads (Rev. 14:1 & 22:4). Not a tattoo on the forehead skin, but inside their foreheads, in their hearts and minds.
.... Okay , that seems like he's using it literally! I am not a educated man but it sure sounds literal in that statement! If your trying to knock me down posting those scriptures that you seem to be saying that I am a baby on milk or maybe I am not spiritual man but a natural man, that's fine I will forgive you , but is it I who is still carnal? ........"Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed LEST HE FALL" (I Cor. 10:12).
May God bless you Alex
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on October 28, 2014, 11:02:47 PM ---Alex this is Lrays statement taking from the post Kat posted!......That’s CHRIST! These are honors and rewards bestowed upon us by Christ. The 144,000 (12 x 12, complete foundational kingdom of God’s government for the new world) are given the Father’s name in their foreheads (Rev. 14:1 & 22:4). Not a tattoo on the forehead skin, but inside their foreheads, in their hearts and minds.
.... Okay , that seems like he's using it literally! I am not a educated man but it sure sounds literal in that statement! If your trying to knock me down posting those scriptures that you seem to be saying that I am a baby on milk or maybe I am not spiritual man but a natural man, that's fine I will forgive you , but is it I who is still carnal? ........"Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed LEST HE FALL" (I Cor. 10:12).
May God bless you Alex
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Mike,
I see that this is a very difficult topic. I was not calling YOU carnal but rather showing you that if all you see is the physical literal number then you are not getting the real meaning behind it because God tells us by the apostles that this is all the natural carnal man receives and we know that the natural man doesn't understand these things.
Now I don't know you well enough to discern the condition of your heart but you condemn yourself when you interpret my words--an attempt at helping you understand--as an attack or judgment upon you.
We were all babes at some point and in many areas I still consider myself a babe. Its not meant to be a negative thing if God is dragging you. It just means there is more to learn.
Anyway, I do not ask God to bless those who are carnal. I do not pray for those who are not my brothers and sisters. I don't ask God to bless them nor the called nor the world. So I think you have interpreted my attempt to help you in the wrong way.
Everything points back to Christ in the end. Kat offered some great answers to what the number spiritually means, as did Ian with his pointing out of the 12000 from each tribe in revelation (12000x12000 =144000). Remember Israel had twelve sons which later became twelve tribes and whom comprised the Israel of God. Today, who is the Isreal of God?? We are.
1 Kings 19:18 "Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him."
Romans 11:4-5 "But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
Isaiah 37:32 For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
This, and many other witnesses, testify to the 144,000.
In Christ,
Alex
Ian 155:
here is another scripture (parable)pertaining to what the sealed or elect's function is...and what % God will use...
Jdg 7:7 The LORD said to Gideon, "I will use the 300 men who lapped the water like a dog. I will use them to save you, and I will allow you to defeat the Midianites. Let the other men go home."
I'm beginning to notice that This "Whore" (who we are to come out of, if we are to be SEALED) tries to/often does, seduce me and its virtually every minute of this life, not just as what happened to our Lord (literally) Satan tested Jesus on 3 literal occasions however each of these tests cover many multiple things, although we read about turning stones into bread (1 thing) the meaning is far greater or has many "tentacles"if I can put it like that.
Not to long ago I was in a state of "Lord what if I have got all this stuff wrong(you put a lying spirit in me) and I am really going to a literal Hell"Or what If we just die anyway and become dust and vanish ??
This seductive spirit must be told to "Get behind me" if it cannot give me 2-3 witnesses and if the interpretation is literal or satisfies the flesh (carnal).Now multiply this by several hundred attacks/thoughts a day and covering all Lust and all pride issues one has to deal with, see what I mean - its relentless.
Now one can get an Idea of what it takes to be part of the elect.(what it takes to pass/overcome) what it takes to "come out of her" ITS IMPOSSIBLE with man
I cannot comment on the exact number of how many literal elect there are going to be - we work this out by a process called "Fear and trembling".
I'm thinking 144 000,00 Is a "minute" number of people in relation to ALL who have ever lived and All who are still living so,In context of the Many and the FEW, 144 000 sounds about right but I only have, as yet a LITERAL understanding of this number In Rev 7
What If there are 144 000 'Super Elect' who are higher in rank and who delegate or task the elect ? ephesians 4v11 ;1 cor 12v28...
I hope we are not misguided into thinking these elect are still coming at a future time?or that Revelation is for someone else in time to come??
Surely we can see certain fruits from bumping into a certain Ray Smith fellow
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