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"of" or "in"?
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Gina on January 09, 2015, 02:46:05 PM ---I'm out of this thread, John. So help me God!
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Does a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? James 3:11
Speaking of Paul's teachings...in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16
It was Jesus Who said that of Himself, He could do nothing. Jesus' words, not mine.
Gina:
Why would Father glorify the Son if the Son hadn't done anything deserving of the glory.
I'm not bitter, I am following the promptings of the Holy Spirit which is telling me to leave this thread, and then you TEMPT me by calling me "bitter" and "unstable"? Hey, Jesus said, Answer a fool accordingly, and answer NOT a fool accordingly. That's what I'm doing, John. That's what I'm doing. By the power invested in me by the Holy Spirit, of course. But the fact remains, I'm actually the one doing it. And God will reward me according to the works that I have done whether they be good or evil.
He will hold me accountable for my words, just as he will you according to the things you have spoken.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Gina on January 09, 2015, 04:24:54 PM ---Why would Father glorify the Son if the Son hadn't done anything deserving of the glory.
I'm not bitter, I am following the promptings of the Holy Spirit which is telling me to leave this thread, and then you TEMPT me by calling me "bitter" and "unstable"? Hey, Jesus said, Answer a fool accordingly, and answer NOT a fool accordingly. That's what I'm doing, John. That's what I'm doing. By the power invested in me by the Holy Spirit, of course. But the fact remains, I'm actually the one doing it. And God will reward me according to the works that I have done whether they be good or evil.
He will hold me accountable for my words, just as he will you according to the things you have spoken.
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I reacted to your use of God's name in a vain manner, as an oath.
May it be as you said. Let God judge.
Kat:
Jesus was God!
Mat 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD, AND BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which is translated, "God with us."
That is not an assumption it was announced by an angle sent from heaven.
His being one with the Father is what made Him God too, one God. Jesus was not separate from the Father when He came down into the flesh, They have always been one and always will be.
The Holy Spirit of/from the Father is always what has worked through Jesus, when He was the OT God, when He was in the Flesh and now, God does not change, that is the way it will always work. The Son was made God of this creation from beginning to end, and that included while He was in the flesh. As God the works that were done while in the flesh, were certainly done by the power of the Holy Spirit in Him, which He had without measure. But He plainly says they were done by Himself.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
John 5:36 But I have a greater witness than John's; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me.
John 10:38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 09, 2015, 04:43:17 PM ---
Jesus was God!
Mat 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD, AND BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which is translated, "God with us."
That is not an assumption it was announced by an angle sent from heaven.
His being one with the Father is what made Him God too, one God. Jesus was not separate from the Father when He came down into the flesh, They have always been one and always will be.
The Holy Spirit of/from the Father is always what has worked through Jesus, when He was the OT God, when He was in the Flesh and now, God does not change, that is the way it will always work. The Son was made God of this creation from beginning to end, and that included while He was in the flesh. As God the works that were done while in the flesh, were certainly done by the power of the Holy Spirit in Him, which He had without measure. But He plainly says they were done by Himself.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
John 5:36 But I have a greater witness than John's; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me.
John 10:38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi Kat, in regards to the works,
I think its important to note that (From what i'm observing in scripture) Christ never refereed to His works without first referring to the Father. The Father through Him, He being the conduit, turns the Father's works into His Works. Much like this verse;
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
The very same reason Paul could say this:
1 Corinthians 15:10 "But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me."
Therefor:
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
This allows Christ to say that without the Father He can do nothing and yet also declare that He is working.
John 15:4-5 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
God bless,
Alex
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