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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on January 11, 2015, 10:02:52 AM ---Alex, we are all prone to "mis-speaking". I reckon the only ones who don't are the ones who never speak. I could show you places Ray "mis-spoke". To his credit, he NEVER SAID HE DIDN'T.
Do you think the Scripture says the same things so many different ways and in so many different "flavors" because the more we know of them, the better we understand? Is that why "scripture cannot contradict itself"? Doesn't James further explain Paul?
Does 'scripture' contradict our understanding at various points along the way? Does it contradict our theologies and doctrines along the way? Does it contradict our behavior along the way?
Hang in there. Sometimes even the English language is "mis-speaking". We just have to do the best we can. As for me, not everything fits in a forum post any longer.
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Thank you Dave. Ray did say that all of God's Word was one.
I don't know... I am overwhelmed at how complex and full of wisdom this Word of God's is. I sit down to study it as I am inspired and I always end thinking, "God there is just way too much here! How am I ever going to get this? I won't... I can' t understand it with my own wisdom and my own mind. Please open my eyes and ears." I think that so very often. It is overwhelming, all of this. Its not easy but if it were then it would not be the honor of kings to search it out, now would it? I am grateful to God that we have at least come to know Him this much, even if it is still, only a small part of who He is and what He is teaching us. I pray He reveals Himself more and more to us, there is nothing greater than to truly know who He is.
God bless you, Dave.
Alex
Kat:
Alex, I hope we are not going down the rabbit hole with this. Trying to pull together my thoughts, with Ray thoughts and the Scripture with this is proving quite difficult. I will not say impossible, because we know all things are possible with God.
I'm thinking that the soul and the spirit and then the heart and mind as well are so tightly interwoven that you cannot have one without the other, but they are all somewhat different in there functions. So trying to find out where the heart and mind originates... did I say it was in the spirit? I had to go back to the beginning and figure out what I said, because that not really my thinking. Here is a comment I made in my first post to you...
Now that spirit that gives us life, for us it's a physical/carnal spirit that helps us survive in this world, it is not the Holy Spirit that is another Spirit that God gives.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
So what I'm getting at is that as spirit beings, just as we humans, also have a spirit of life in them, this spirit would seem to consist of their mind and spiritual heart as well. The Scripture do mention this about God.
So now I see what you keep referring to, it's in that last part I was talking about spirit beings - angels... I said "this spirit would seem to consist of their mind and spiritual heart as well." I was talking about the spirit being or angel there. So there is where I miss lead you by not being clear... sorry about that. Whole other topic.
But continuing on with what you are saying, these words are so interchanged in the Scripture that it can be very hard to find the difference. I do look at the Greek and Hebrew words, and that does help, but it's still confusing. Ray mentioned that in an email.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=7163.0 -------
Dear Reader: It is hardly possible to differentiate between heart and mind by using Strong's Dictionary of the Greek and Hebrew languages, as he over-laps every definition with each word. Mind has to do more with intellect, intelligence, rational reasoning, analysis, creativity, etc. The heart has more to do with emotions, feelings, compassion, love, lusts and desires. We do not analytically and rationally decide that a good thing to do would be to go down to the beach and lust after women in bikinis. Nor do we normally work our way through a difficult mathematical problem by figuring it out in our heart. A person with a very good MIND, may nonetheless, have a very evil HEART. Can you see a difference? I'm not saying that there is no overlap, but can you see a difference? Can you see the necessity for two words to describe two different forms of sentient behavior as opposed to being confined to only one word to describe these differences? It's too big a subject for an email to go into all the many Scriptures to differentiate where the King James may or may not have it backwards. Hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
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Anyway does that clear up any of the confusion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 11, 2015, 12:16:17 PM ---
Alex, I hope we are not going down the rabbit hole with this. Trying to pull together my thoughts, with Ray thoughts and the Scripture with this is proving quite difficult. I will not say impossible, because we know all things are possible with God.
I'm thinking that the soul and the spirit and then the heart and mind as well are so tightly interwoven that you cannot have one without the other, but they are all somewhat different in there functions. So trying to find out where the heart and mind originates... did I say it was in the spirit? I had to go back to the beginning and figure out what I said, because that not really my thinking. Here is a comment I made in my first post to you...
Now that spirit that gives us life, for us it's a physical/carnal spirit that helps us survive in this world, it is not the Holy Spirit that is another Spirit that God gives.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
So what I'm getting at is that as spirit beings, just as we humans, also have a spirit of life in them, this spirit would seem to consist of their mind and spiritual heart as well. The Scripture do mention this about God.
So now I see what you keep referring to, it's in that last part I was talking about spirit beings - angels... I said "this spirit would seem to consist of their mind and spiritual heart as well." I was talking about the spirit being or angel there. So there is where I miss lead you by not being clear... sorry about that. Whole other topic.
But continuing on with what you are saying, these words are so interchanged in the Scripture that it can be very hard to find the difference. I do look at the Greek and Hebrew words, and that does help, but it's still confusing. Ray mentioned that in an email.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=7163.0 -------
Dear Reader: It is hardly possible to differentiate between heart and mind by using Strong's Dictionary of the Greek and Hebrew languages, as he over-laps every definition with each word. Mind has to do more with intellect, intelligence, rational reasoning, analysis, creativity, etc. The heart has more to do with emotions, feelings, compassion, love, lusts and desires. We do not analytically and rationally decide that a good thing to do would be to go down to the beach and lust after women in bikinis. Nor do we normally work our way through a difficult mathematical problem by figuring it out in our heart. A person with a very good MIND, may nonetheless, have a very evil HEART. Can you see a difference? I'm not saying that there is no overlap, but can you see a difference? Can you see the necessity for two words to describe two different forms of sentient behavior as opposed to being confined to only one word to describe these differences? It's too big a subject for an email to go into all the many Scriptures to differentiate where the King James may or may not have it backwards. Hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
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Anyway does that clear up any of the confusion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Yes, I see that we were more or less on the same page but some words led me to believe that you were trying to say something else.
I also agree that this is very hard to nail down and ray makes a good explanation of why. It seems they are very tightly intertwined and trying to unwind it all to find where one begins and the other ends is much more difficult than it appears on the surface.
According to Genesis, body and spirit makes man a living soul. Man doesn't have a soul, he is a living soul. I suppose we should be content with understanding at least that bit of truth.
I could only speculate from that point forward so I suppose I will leave it to that.
So... did we determine where the heart and mind originate from then or are we awaiting a more certain answer from our God?
Mercy, peace and love to you dear sister.
Alex
Dave in Tenn:
bound together, tightly wound, inextricably intertwined, thoroughly blended, a complete solution--salt water, mud. And without Him, nothing...
Kat:
Yeah Dave, that's the way I see it too. You don't have the one without the other. So I don't know if I'd say it originates from anything in particular, they together, maybe...
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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