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lauriellen:
Just my opinion, but once you start making a 'sin' (attending a gay wedding) something that is not explicitly stated as a 'sin' in the bible, it is a slippery slope into all kinds of legalism....then, you could say that it is a 'sin' to attend a Christmas/easter/valentines/holloween  party because it would be celebrating something historically 'pagan' (an abomination)......then you could say it is a 'sin'  for women to wear makeup or jewelry because it 'celebrates' vanity (a sin)....smacks very much of how the WWCOG operated, even resorted to having members spy on each other and tattle on each other if they were caught wearing makeup in public or attending an event on the Sabbath. If God is ordering our steps (as I believe He is), we will be led to do or not do whatever He has already planned in each situation.

lurquer:
I’m not really sure who is arguing what in this thread.

It seems like the consensus is it would be “unchristian” to attend a “gay wedding”.  That would be the  rational  viewpoint if so.  If there are any here actually arguing for the contrary opinion,  I don’t see it.  You certainly haven’t articulated it anyway.

It’s sort of a ridiculous discussion anyway, as others pointed out that any “hypothetical” invitation to a “gay wedding” would mean you, as a guest, must have absolutely no form of goldliness (else why would anyone think you’d WANT to attend such an event)? And if you have a moral objection to the sin of homosexuality and the belief that God established marriage--and only His definition is the True one—then why is it such a conundrum for you?  And if you don’t believe those two facts, why do you even bother calling yourself a follower of Christ?  Why are you even here?

Some may be confused though as to the actual nature of the question … allow me to divide the wheat from the chaff. 

Alex seems to be anti-attendance minded on the matter.  (As would I be—not that it matters).  But he is FOR “gay marriage rights”.  This is the real kernel of the discussion I think.  Because for one thing, there are no such things as “rights” at all.  What we have are STATUTES (arbitrarily) written by MEN, who have mostly no regard for God and His Laws.  Whether or not two people can call themselves by the name of a particular type of Union which GOD defined is one thing.  You can call yourself a baked potato and most people could care less.  But it is when the LAW (the human law under which we are bound by human rulers,  enforced by other humans who are armed and will inflict pain, loss or death for violating said laws) REQUIRES those of us who morally object, to nevertheless ACCEPT (and OBEY) these manmade statutes that we run into some serious problems.  If I must ACCEPT you as a baked potato, now I have issue.

But the kernel is far more rotted than that. It is one thing to revel in your sin. The whole world is awash in sin and wickedness.  It is another lower, darker level of malevolence to attempt to REDIFINE your sin as Not Sin.  And one notch below that is attempting to persuade others (children, feeble-minded, intellectually or morally lazy persons) that their EVIL is actually GOOD.  And that, in a nutshell, is the “culture” we find ourselves in today.

So homosexual behavior is NOT sin, and a “Union” between such people engaging in this is just as valid as your union as a husband and wife.  This is what we are told to accept.  This is what we DO accept when we do not OBJECT.

Ironically, someone posted a passage from an unknown (and I’d wager dubious) translation of Romans 14 as “Blessed are those who don't feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right.”   No.  No, No, NO.  At least in the context of this discussion, this is exactly the WRONG thing.  Sinners who have “decided” that “gay love” is RIGHT and therefore have removed all guilt NOW decide that YOU MUST EMBRACE their decision. They, in fact, are the "blessed ones".

Don’t let that escape your knowledge.  That is the end game—to re-educate all of us backward-thinking people.  That is the prize.

zvezda:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 05, 2015, 11:45:44 AM ---Some people have stated they could attend a gay marriage without celebrating with those at the wedding but I suppose then it becomes a slippery slope.

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I suppose you were referring to my posts. I said that because I once was invited to a baptism, every time the pastor finished baptising a member, the whole crowd would sing 'happy day... happy day..." I didn't sing with them or pray with them, when they were parying together, I said a different prayer in my heart instead. Only God knows my heart was not celebrating with them and actually I was crying inside seeing that they were still in babylon. With God's help, I was able to separate my heart/spirit from the celebration. It's just my personal experience.

rick:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 05, 2015, 12:41:22 PM ---
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--- Quote from: lauriellen on April 05, 2015, 10:03:25 AM ---It seems to me that Jesus set the example for us to follow:

Luk 19:5  When Jesus came to that place, he looked up and said to Zacchaeus, "Hurry down, Zacchaeus, because I must stay in your house today."
Luk 19:6  Zacchaeus hurried down and welcomed him with great joy.
Luk 19:7  All the people who saw it started grumbling, "This man has gone as a guest to the home of a sinner!"

Luk 7:39  Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

Mat 9:11  And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Mat 9:12  But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 11:19  The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

It seems pretty clear to me......

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 your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God.

God bless,
Alex

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I disagree with that statement because one’s physical presences does not reveal the heart but one’s words does, from the abundance of the heart does the mouth speak.

One cannot possible know the motive of a persons heart because of their presence in any situation.

Lets try that out on Jesus, Mat 9:11  And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

Jesus is present with publicans and sinners, what does that say about Jesus in the eyes of the Father ? You see what I mean Alex.

And by the way, Jesus is present at every gay marriage at every murder at every crime scene.

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Rick,

You need to learn to read more carefully dear brother. Let's take a look at what I said again;

"So this is where I am at and I just don't see Jesus celebrating any sinful behavior, not even at the ceremony for the joining of two gay couples. Some people have stated they could attend a gay marriage without celebrating with those at the wedding but I suppose then it becomes a slippery slope. Ray said that marriage was one of the few things in this world that God made for us to observe PHYSICALLY and not spiritually. We don't spiritually marry other people and we don't get spiritual divorces. In the same way, your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God."

"In the same way [As in what ray said about how marriage is one of the few things God admonishes us to observe PHYSICALLY]," "Your physical PRESENCE [AT THAT MARRIAGE]" says A LOT about what you think is OKAY [I.E. Acceptable behavior, such as the joining of two gay people at this wedding] in the eye's of God.

If you don't think ray said this about marriage then go back and listen to the audio on marriage. It was the whole reason he made such a point about the physical papers and ceremony taking place for a marriage to be valid in God's eyes. Its very much about the PHYSICAL as far as God and MARRIAGE are concerned.

In Christ,
Alex

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Alex, I agree with you,  I certainly don’t see Jesus celebrating a gay marriage either.

The world is being condition to except all types of life styles by what is referred to as politically correct, if you say anything against homosexuals then that makes you a homophobe ,a bigot and a racist too and anything else they can paint you with...lol it’s the way of the world , the world God made and the evil He created to be in the world He made.

You said you are ok with gay marriage rights, that’s the politically right thing to say, yet you would feel uncomfortable catering a gay marriage, that is a contradiction.

I don’t believe in gay marriage rights and I don’t believe in gay marriage because of my belief in God, its wrong just like stealing is wrong or murder is wrong, but I don’t look at gay people as if they are monsters either, they are human beings just like me.

However if I were a florist I would not have an issue with catering a gay marriage however if I see guys kissing each other I would have an issue with that and not complete my job there.

If I were invited to a gay marriage I would say no thank you, I would not participate in what I believe is the wrong thing to do and yet I participate every day in wrong doing, its called personal sins, I know there is a time set aside where I will have to answer for my sinfulness.

 
Someone just did a tread about three guys getting married , there is no end to the sinfulness of people until Christ returns yet Paul the apostle said he was the worst sinner on earth, are these gay people worst than Paul ? Not according to Paul their not.

Gina:

--- Quote from: lauriellen on April 05, 2015, 01:03:13 PM ---Just my opinion, but once you start making a 'sin' (attending a gay wedding) something that is not explicitly stated as a 'sin' in the bible, it is a slippery slope into all kinds of legalism....then, you could say that it is a 'sin' to attend a Christmas/easter/valentines/holloween  party because it would be celebrating something historically 'pagan' (an abomination)......then you could say it is a 'sin'  for women to wear makeup or jewelry because it 'celebrates' vanity (a sin)....smacks very much of how the WWCOG operated, even resorted to having members spy on each other and tattle on each other if they were caught wearing makeup in public or attending an event on the Sabbath. If God is ordering our steps (as I believe He is), we will be led to do or not do whatever He has already planned in each situation.

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Well, we're not in the WWCOG anymore, are we. 

What you're doing is comparing apples and oranges because you have not even begun to heal from the hurt of what you experienced in that church by those who used you miserably and took advantage of the unsuspecting.

Celebrating your Lord and Savior on Passover and calling it "Easter," and wearing makeup to cover up skin imperfections or to make your lashes stand out or to thin out or fill in your eye brows is a far cry from celebrating sexual sin and walking down the street dressed up like a Vegas Show Girl for the express purpose of drawing attention to yourself for whatever reason.

This post isn't about those things.  But since you asked, if the house needs paintin', paint it.  :)

And it seems to me if you can overlook gays and lesbian marriage to the point that you would celebrate it.  You would be willing to at least consider forgiving Herbert W. Armstrong and his ilk for their sins. 

But what you're saying is:  if Armstrong wanted to marry his daughter (!)  or Garner his many (200) women, you would have no problem witnessing that.  That's really what you're saying, because anything else would be "legalism," and what?  God doesn't abide by a system of laws?  God doesn't operate by the counsel of his own will?  As if to say that even God isn't BOUND by and operates according to w-i-s-d-o-m?

Do you condone the sexual sin of MISUSE of others on one level simply because it's being committed by people you like?  But then turn around and totally condemn it on another simply because it's being committed by people who have misused you?

Laurie, you're a very tenderhearted person, and I know you have had a difficult life , and I don't want to come down on you too hard, but let's judge rightly and not by appearance. 

So someone you like and treats you well, sins sexually, so you're going to relax your standards, whereas someone you thought you could trust spies on how much makeup you're wearing and you pull rank and say it's wrong?  What do we have here?  A double standard?

You can be sure that anyone who is doing their best to follow Jesus by remembering Him though they might flub up and call Passover by another "pagan" name, is not someone who is blatantly despising the word of God.  It's not the same thing, Laurie.

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