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Fined over 100k for not baking a wedding cake!
lareli:
--- Quote from: Rick on April 26, 2015, 05:40:48 PM ---Hello Alex,
Try to imagine a Jewish baker being approached by modern day Nazis that want him to bake a cake celebrating the holocaust, I guess he would be fined one million dollars if he refused.
We live in a perverse country these days and although I am an American citizen living in America my profound hope is that God does pass judgement on this county and its politicians that write these ridiculous laws they shove down our throats.
America, number one baby killer of the world. >:(
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Rick,
You're comparing a gay couple with nazis? And a gay wedding to the holocaust?
rick:
--- Quote from: largeli on April 29, 2015, 04:18:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on April 26, 2015, 05:40:48 PM ---Hello Alex,
Try to imagine a Jewish baker being approached by modern day Nazis that want him to bake a cake celebrating the holocaust, I guess he would be fined one million dollars if he refused.
We live in a perverse country these days and although I am an American citizen living in America my profound hope is that God does pass judgement on this county and its politicians that write these ridiculous laws they shove down our throats.
America, number one baby killer of the world. >:(
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Rick,
You're comparing a gay couple with nazis? And a gay wedding to the holocaust?
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Hello Largeli,
I realize I’m comparing one with the other but its all the same because people are being force to go against their conscious.
All these things we hear about on the news are not isolated issues as far as I can see, its all apart of a bigger agenda.
Take the gay agenda, where do you think it might lead to ? So, John loves Joe, John and Joe feel they should have the right to be marry, if John and Joe cannot get married that is discrimination as far as they are concerned.........correct.
Now, lets see what’s coming down the pike ok, John loves Joe’s sister and wants to marry her but Joe also loves his sister and wants to marry his sister but if Joe cannot marry his sister then Joe is being discrimination against correct.
Now let me make this absolutely clear, I am not advocating hatred or violence towards gay people or anyone else who lives not according to God’s ways but God’s words are quite clear when He says it’s a shameful thing for a man to lay with another man or women with another women.
I don’t know how anyone can believe in God and not discriminate, one must decide to agree with God or disagree with God , if God says no to something or its wrong to do a certain thing then I must discriminate between one or the other .correct
The only thing that makes being gay wrong is that God says its wrong, end of story. :)
indianabob:
Taking sides or discriminating FOR God's ways of life has never been popular or easy.
The Lord Jesus did say that he was NOT bringing peace, but a sword of separation.
To people of natural selfish desire, a person preaching obedience to God is the enemy.
We didn't make ourselves their enemy...however they did or do make themselves our enemy.
There is no getting around it. If we follow God's ways we cannot be "of the world".
And yet we are still IN the world and must expect to be reviled by almost everyone who is not part of us. It is that condition of holy life that will purge us of the chaff in our own lives.
1 Peter 2:19
For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly.
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
lareli:
Rick. After all the gays round up all the Christians and put them in concentration camps and gas them and burn them in ovens and starve them to death.. And then years later these gays come asking a Christian baker to bake them a cake so they can celebrate the time when they murdered 6 million Christians... Then you will be correct in saying it's the same.
Ibob..
Didn't our God tell us how to be in the world with our enemies without being of the world? Didn't He say.. If our enemy (a gay person) strikes us on the cheek we should offer the other also, and if our enemy (a gay person) wants our jacket we should give him our shirt too, and if our enemy (a gay person) wants us to go one mile we should go two?
Do we suppose that baking a cake for our enemy is where God draws the line? So we should let a gay person slap us and not only that, but after they slap us we should offer the other cheek, we should give him or her the shirt off our back, but whatever you do, DONT bake them a cake.
Hey guys let's also not forget that God said it shall be an abominable thing to us to eat shell fish. And then later said that it's okay as long as you give thanks, yes?
There's too many thou shalts and thou shall nots for my little pea brain to keep track of.. Maybe that's why Christ said all the laws, all the thou shalts and thou shall nots can be summed up with, love your God and love your neighbor as yourself. Im inclined to believe there are lots of gay couples who do not see how marrying their gay lover is violating this law of Christ which sums up all laws. You or I may see it as a violation.. But what business is it of mine what my neighbor does with his life? Just because he wants me to bake him a cake doesn't all of the sudden make his lifestyle my business. My business ends at baking the cake. Why should I judge the servant of another? Hes not my servant and I am not his god or master. To his own master will he rise or fall.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on April 30, 2015, 12:46:46 PM ---Rick. After all the gays round up all the Christians and put them in concentration camps and gas them and burn them in ovens and starve them to death.. And then years later these gays come asking a Christian baker to bake them a cake so they can celebrate the time when they murdered 6 million Christians... Then you will be correct in saying it's the same.
Ibob..
Didn't our God tell us how to be in the world with our enemies without being of the world? Didn't He say.. If our enemy (a gay person) strikes us on the cheek we should offer the other also, and if our enemy (a gay person) wants our jacket we should give him our shirt too, and if our enemy (a gay person) wants us to go one mile we should go two?
Do we suppose that baking a cake for our enemy is where God draws the line? So we should let a gay person slap us and not only that, but after they slap us we should offer the other cheek, we should give him or her the shirt off our back, but whatever you do, DONT bake them a cake.
Hey guys let's also not forget that God said its abominable thing in Gods eyes to eat shell fish. And then later said that it's okay as long as you give thanks, yes?
There's too many thou shalts and thou shall nots for my little pea brain to keep track of.. Maybe that's why Christ said all the laws, all the thou shalts and thou shall nots can be summed up with, love your God and love your neighbor as yourself. Im inclined to believe there are lots of gay couples who do not see how marrying their gay lover is violating this law of Christ which sums up all laws. You or I may see it as a violation.. But what business is it of mine what my neighbor does with his life? Just because he wants me to bake him a cake doesn't all of the sudden make his lifestyle my business. My business ends at baking the cake. Why should I judge the servant of another? Hes not my servant and I am not his god or master. To his own master will he rise or fall.
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Hi Largeli,
You can't really use the excuse that there are many "thou shalts" as a reason to not see homosexuality for what it is. An abomination to God.
Christ blotted out the handwriting ordinance on the cross which was contrary to us. The "thou shalt not eat shell fish," etc... commandments. So no, he didn't really say, "thou shalt not eat" and then "well its okay as long as you bless it." The handwriting ordinances served a purpose for the wandering Jews as they travelled from one land to another.
Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and too it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"
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Dear Andrew:
My paper on homosexuality being a sin was not based on Leviticus
of the Old Testament Law, but mostly on Romans 1 of the New Testament. And in
Rom. 1 and other places in the New Testament that I referenced and went into great
detail, homosexuality is most certainly a gross sin. Arguing over shell fish will hardly
justify acts of homosexuality. My paper covers the subject more thoroughly than any
book ever written on the subject as far as I am concerned. There is NOTHING that
can be Scripturally brought up against my paper, because my paper is based on
the Scriptures for New Testament Believers.
God be with you,
Ray
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Homosexuality is still very much a sin and condemned in the new testatement.
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).
sodomites (King James, 'abusers of themselves with mankind'-Strong's #733 arsenokoites "a sodomite, defile self with mankind."
The elements of the Greek word arsenokoites are "male-lier"-A male who lies with a male. "Male bed partners"--Wycliffe Bible Dictionary
Be not deceived, neither ...effeminate [Gk: malakos-catamite/boy with man sex] shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold [back] the truth in unrighteousness... Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves... For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which is meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Rom. 1:18, 24, 26-32).
Christian homosexuals who don't see the sin in marrying one another don't see it because they don't want to see it.
Matthew 19:3-6
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
A man leaves his parents and cleaves to HIS WIFE, NOT his husband. It was decreed by God to be this way from the beginning.
"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication [Gk: porneia], let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband" (I Cor. 7:2).
Not really any room in there for every man having his own husband or every woman having her own wife to avoid fornicating.
Ray covers this and much more in his paper (http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm).
If you love God then you will desire to obey Him. Why do you call me Lord and do not the things that I say?
"Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (II Tim. 2:19).
We all have our sins we struggle with and only God can save. But let us be honest amongst ourselves and with ourselves about sin. It is something that we strive to overcome and not something we celebrate or make excuses for.
You can still Agape your enemies/neighbors without making excuses or justifications for their sin.
I agree that our business ends with them at baking the cake.
God bless,
Alex
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