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Did Jesus cease to be God when he became incarnate?
Gina:
--- Quote from: virginiabm on June 01, 2015, 11:38:42 PM ---Hi Gina and Alex, I really appreciate the feed back on my thoughts about Jesus and Mary. I can let my mind rest a litttle now, because as you both pointed out, Jesus would never show disrepect to His Mother in any way, which I didn't think He did. Alex you made a good point by saying that Jesus treated Mary the same as others, because we are all the same to Him.
The reason I spoke of Mary as Just a disciple, is because that is what I consider myself to be while I'm on my way to being an elect of God, that is if I am one of the Few, which I hope I will be. My thoughts on this was just thoughts, whatever Jesus called His Mother was said Out of Love and respect.
I thank you both for your insight and encouragment. I will go on seeking and sharing my Love for Jesus.
I love you all my BT family.
With Love, Virginia Miller
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And I like thinking about your questions and searching for the answers. I am always thrilled when I am blessed when God shows me the answers or slowly reveals them to me over time. I love this stuff. I get so wrapped up in these threads sometimes I could go all day without eating or drinking or even thinking about it. I could stay up all night too and never get bored. I literally have to drag myself away from the forum sometimes otherwise I wouldn't get anything else done. I totally see how Ray could get into responding to emails and go all day without a bite to eat. And what Jesus meant when He said to his disciples when they said, You have to eat something, Master... "I have food to eat that you know nothing about." I mean this is good stuff! So please, keep your questions coming, Virginia, everybody.
octoberose:
The Deuteronomy verse is lovely, Joel.
I know you all are right. I know God made us spiritually weak and he tempts no one. But the responsibility of the state we find ourselves in is His. He doesn't tempt but made Satan to be the tempter, to be the liar. So, I guess I'm laying that all on Him. I know this life is about the experience of good and evil and it's how God chose to teach us. And the cost to Him and to us is high.
The question of 'original sin' is not one I've read a lot about so I was battling with it. I was raised Baptist so old things come back once in a while. ;)
So, going along a little more with the original intent of this thread- when Jesus became a man was he changed from what he was to who he is now? Stephen saw him as he lay dying. I don't understand that to be a vision but a sighting- and he was Jesus- changed as we know after the resurrection but still Jesus. Will he have scars on his hands and feet when we see him? Is he unalterably changed after dying for our sins and raising from the dead?
I know these seem simple, or maybe very complex, but it's where I am and you all know me well enough to know that I'd rather ask and seem foolish than not ask at all.
virginiabm:
Me too Gina. I am so hungry for the word that I could sit here all day talking to like minded people, but there are none around here. I love when I come to the forum and some are have a conversation about what we are learning, or learning something new.
I do have another question about the New Testament being written in Greek. Did Jesus speak mostly Greek? I know He knew all languages, and understood all, but I was going to a sacred name church at one time and they convinced me that Yahshua was Jesus' real name. My husband wasn't into the name at that time, but he is now and I am not. I don't want to get to heavy in this and I know Ray has went through this at one time, i just want to share with my husband what i am learning about it. He thinks we are still in the old testament, so Jesus would be called yahshua or Yahweh, because joshua took the people to the promised land after Moses' died. Joshua in hebrew is Yahshua, But didn't Christ come in Moses' place, not Joshua's?
with Love, virignia
Gina:
--- Quote from: octoberose on June 02, 2015, 10:21:50 PM ---So, going along a little more with the original intent of this thread- when Jesus became a man was he changed from what he was to who he is now? Stephen saw him as he lay dying. I don't understand that to be a vision but a sighting- and he was Jesus- changed as we know after the resurrection but still Jesus. Will he have scars on his hands and feet when we see him? Is he unalterably changed after dying for our sins and raising from the dead?
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Wow, these are all really intense questions. Was Jesus changed from what He was ( meaning ..... ? ) to who He is now (meaning .... ?)
Jesus hasn't changed at all. He is God. Was God. Always will be God. He was a Rock at one point. He was the burning bush at another point. He was unrecognizable to the women who came looking for him after he was resurrected.
But does it really matter what form or shape He takes on? We no longer know Him after the flesh (OUR flesh, not His flesh). See, we no longer think of Him in terms of what our eyes see.
Jesus Christ is the Word and we are supposed to live according to the things He spoke.
If we're still thinking of Him according to the flesh and concerning ourselves with what He looks like physically, I'm going to be totally blunt (not to be mean) to steer you back on the right track: you are still a babe in Christ.
What matters is HOW HE LIVED. We are saved by His Life. That means, we practice doing those things and thinking like He did.
It's like I offered you by PM, it's all about practice.
We can either be practitioners of sin and become real good and proficient in sinning. Or, we can practice living Godly in Christ in order that we "become perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect.
See? So let's start practicing with little baby steps on doing what Christ said. Because when we do that, then we will SEE Him as He IS. Guaranteed.
Does that make sense? You will see Him when you practice what He commands.
The problem we have is, we are physical beings and we have these five senses (taste, smell, sight, hearing and touch-- ha ha, I had to write that out just to be sure -- yeah, they're are five senses, for sure ) that really get in the way of spiritual things.
That which is first is not spiritual, but that which is PHYSICAL. People think that means: That which is first is physical, and after that the spiritual and we do away with everything physical. No, I don't believe so. I believe we will be so spiritually / heavenly minded that we will be better able to experience physical things in their proper context. Jesus ate fish after He was resurrected. He had no problem digesting it apparently. But so of what significance is that? He had nail holes in his hands? As a sign for those who doubt.
Before we become spiritually minded in Christ, we are so outward focused on those things we can see with our physical eyes, and naturally wonder what He will look like, INSTEAD OF PRACTICING WHAT HE SAYS. We can't help it though, but we should start PRACTICING not being so outwardly focused so much. Just practice with little baby steps.
It's amazing how far and fast you get when your mind is preoccupied with spiritual matters. The only way I can describe it is, it's like when you're driving in your car and you get to your destination but don't remember how you got there or remember seeing any of the physical landmarks along the way.
And you've been there, I'm sure you know because all of us here for the most part are practicing walking according to the spirit, aren't we?
Just keep doing that and you'll see Jesus as He is. Ray said so. He said, when you start doing what Christ commands and living how He lived, you'll understand (perceive/see) a LOT.
All that Jesus Christ is isn't a "body," so stop thinking of Him in those terms. Think of Christ more in terms of energy/life-giving spirit that sets us in motion when we meditate and PRACTICE His words. In that way, we really do live, and move and we have our being in Him.
I hope that was of some help to someone besides myself -- it wouldn't be any fun if it were only for me.
Thanks for asking those questions. I really hope that helps some.
God bless!
Gina:
And Octoberose, this is a prime example of your walking according to the spirit and not after the flesh: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,16110.msg144866.html#msg144866
How so? It's plain to see. You had BOLDNESS in Christ in speaking the truth in the midst of an evil and PERVERSE generation.
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