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Three statements Christ made got me thinking, what in the world is going on.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: santgem on June 04, 2015, 06:28:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 03, 2015, 07:42:37 PM ---I know the answer, but I cannot tell you because teaching is not allowed on the Forum.
If God will give you the understanding, Ray explains it at the end of his creed, which I have attached.
It is Ray's 2nd statement, which is the most profound and ties in to John 1:1. (You must also be educated enough to know what an autobiography is.)
http://bible-truths.com/Creed.htm
Further keys are found in Col 1:15 to the end and 1Cor 8:6. However, true understanding can only come from God. You have to be ready to spiritually rock and roll. This most profound understanding is not for the young. (little hint: The Scriptures teach there is only One God. 8))
But most do not understand. Paul said in 1Cor 8:7 that not many know this, speaking to the Church about the nature of God. Two thousand years later, most in the true Church still do not get it.
I am beginning to see that it will be Jesus Himself Who will explain this most profound truth to the Elect in the age to come.
--- End quote ---
Greetings JFK,
Indeed it is very clear....... ;)
Please let me add verses. :)
When Jesus had a God.
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
--- End quote ---
Hi Santa,
After Jesus was raised from the dead, with a spiritual body, He still had a God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The apostles in their writtings continue to refer to God the Father as the God of Jesus Christ long after Christ ascended and was seated at the right hand of power.
Here are two such examples:
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
So I'm not sure if you're trying to say Jesus no longer has a God after He resurrected? If so, I just can't see that being the case based on these and other witnesses in scripture.
God bless,
Alex
santgem:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on June 04, 2015, 08:51:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on June 04, 2015, 06:28:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 03, 2015, 07:42:37 PM ---I know the answer, but I cannot tell you because teaching is not allowed on the Forum.
If God will give you the understanding, Ray explains it at the end of his creed, which I have attached.
It is Ray's 2nd statement, which is the most profound and ties in to John 1:1. (You must also be educated enough to know what an autobiography is.)
http://bible-truths.com/Creed.htm
Further keys are found in Col 1:15 to the end and 1Cor 8:6. However, true understanding can only come from God. You have to be ready to spiritually rock and roll. This most profound understanding is not for the young. (little hint: The Scriptures teach there is only One God. 8))
But most do not understand. Paul said in 1Cor 8:7 that not many know this, speaking to the Church about the nature of God. Two thousand years later, most in the true Church still do not get it.
I am beginning to see that it will be Jesus Himself Who will explain this most profound truth to the Elect in the age to come.
--- End quote ---
Greetings JFK,
Indeed it is very clear....... ;)
Please let me add verses. :)
When Jesus had a God.
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
--- End quote ---
Hi Santa,
After Jesus was raised from the dead, with a spiritual body, He still had a God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The apostles in their writtings continue to refer to God the Father as the God of Jesus Christ long after Christ ascended and was seated at the right hand of power.
Here are two such examples:
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
So I'm not sure if you're trying to say Jesus no longer has a God after He resurrected? If so, I just can't see that being the case based on these and other witnesses in scripture.
God bless,
Alex
--- End quote ---
Hello Alex,
Greetings!
Jesus will be Man and God Forever......Scriptures were there.
When Jesus was still The "I Am" in the Old Testament, nowhere you can find in the Scriptures that he has a God.
He then had a God at that time when........see (Psalm 22, Jer 32:27)
again, after that you can conclude to what i said that.......Jesus will be Man and God forever.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: santgem on June 04, 2015, 11:56:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on June 04, 2015, 08:51:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on June 04, 2015, 06:28:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 03, 2015, 07:42:37 PM ---I know the answer, but I cannot tell you because teaching is not allowed on the Forum.
If God will give you the understanding, Ray explains it at the end of his creed, which I have attached.
It is Ray's 2nd statement, which is the most profound and ties in to John 1:1. (You must also be educated enough to know what an autobiography is.)
http://bible-truths.com/Creed.htm
Further keys are found in Col 1:15 to the end and 1Cor 8:6. However, true understanding can only come from God. You have to be ready to spiritually rock and roll. This most profound understanding is not for the young. (little hint: The Scriptures teach there is only One God. 8))
But most do not understand. Paul said in 1Cor 8:7 that not many know this, speaking to the Church about the nature of God. Two thousand years later, most in the true Church still do not get it.
I am beginning to see that it will be Jesus Himself Who will explain this most profound truth to the Elect in the age to come.
--- End quote ---
Greetings JFK,
Indeed it is very clear....... ;)
Please let me add verses. :)
When Jesus had a God.
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
--- End quote ---
Hi Santa,
After Jesus was raised from the dead, with a spiritual body, He still had a God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The apostles in their writtings continue to refer to God the Father as the God of Jesus Christ long after Christ ascended and was seated at the right hand of power.
Here are two such examples:
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
So I'm not sure if you're trying to say Jesus no longer has a God after He resurrected? If so, I just can't see that being the case based on these and other witnesses in scripture.
God bless,
Alex
--- End quote ---
Hello Alex,
Greetings!
Jesus will be Man and God Forever......Scriptures were there.
When Jesus was still The "I Am" in the Old Testament, nowhere you can find in the Scriptures that he has a God.
He then had a God at that time when........see (Psalm 22, Jer 32:27)
again, after that you can conclude to what i said that.......Jesus will be Man and God forever.
--- End quote ---
Hi SantGem,
I have an issue with this perspective of yours. You're essentially asking me to throw out all the new testatement scriptures to make this perspective work. The apostles were well aware of the old testatement scriptures and quoted from them frequently but despite this still maintained that Jesus Christ has a God.
Furthermore, with that knowledge we have things such as these in which you can find the God of the Old testatement having a God.
Psalm 45:5-7
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Here is how the Hebrews author interprets it:
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God [THE FATHER], who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:6-10
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Its there in both the old and the new testatement.
God Bless,
Alex
santgem:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on June 04, 2015, 12:20:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on June 04, 2015, 11:56:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on June 04, 2015, 08:51:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on June 04, 2015, 06:28:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 03, 2015, 07:42:37 PM ---I know the answer, but I cannot tell you because teaching is not allowed on the Forum.
If God will give you the understanding, Ray explains it at the end of his creed, which I have attached.
It is Ray's 2nd statement, which is the most profound and ties in to John 1:1. (You must also be educated enough to know what an autobiography is.)
http://bible-truths.com/Creed.htm
Further keys are found in Col 1:15 to the end and 1Cor 8:6. However, true understanding can only come from God. You have to be ready to spiritually rock and roll. This most profound understanding is not for the young. (little hint: The Scriptures teach there is only One God. 8))
But most do not understand. Paul said in 1Cor 8:7 that not many know this, speaking to the Church about the nature of God. Two thousand years later, most in the true Church still do not get it.
I am beginning to see that it will be Jesus Himself Who will explain this most profound truth to the Elect in the age to come.
--- End quote ---
Greetings JFK,
Indeed it is very clear....... ;)
Please let me add verses. :)
When Jesus had a God.
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
--- End quote ---
Hi Santa,
After Jesus was raised from the dead, with a spiritual body, He still had a God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The apostles in their writtings continue to refer to God the Father as the God of Jesus Christ long after Christ ascended and was seated at the right hand of power.
Here are two such examples:
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
So I'm not sure if you're trying to say Jesus no longer has a God after He resurrected? If so, I just can't see that being the case based on these and other witnesses in scripture.
God bless,
Alex
--- End quote ---
Hello Alex,
Greetings!
Jesus will be Man and God Forever......Scriptures were there.
When Jesus was still The "I Am" in the Old Testament, nowhere you can find in the Scriptures that he has a God.
He then had a God at that time when........see (Psalm 22, Jer 32:27)
again, after that you can conclude to what i said that.......Jesus will be Man and God forever.
--- End quote ---
Hi SantGem,
I have an issue with this perspective of yours. You're essentially asking me to throw out all the new testatement scriptures to make this perspective work. The apostles were well aware of the old testatement scriptures and quoted from them frequently but despite this still maintained that Jesus Christ has a God.
Furthermore, with that knowledge we have things such as these in which you can find the God of the Old testatement having a God.
Psalm 45:5-7
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Here is how the Hebrews author interprets it:
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God [THE FATHER], who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:6-10
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Its there in both the old and the new testatement.
God Bless,
Alex
--- End quote ---
Hello Alex,
Greetings!
I fully understand your explanation......but;
Look at your verse Psalm 45:5-7, examine it very carefully.
When God tells that to a God, God perceived that that God is associating with the people.
God did not have a God when It is the only God (Old Testament).
in sundry times, It is God the Father who is YHWH/Jehovah (old testament)
when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world (Jesus in his flesh) New Testament...
God did not tell in the Old Testament that he has God literally or else you will have two Gods, and that is very clear....
now think about this....
When Jesus died his soul died also but his Spirit is alive. Jesus soul died when his body is dead.
God the Father and Jesus have the same Spirit.
Jesus Spirit gives life....Agree or disagree?
Gina:
Santgem,
I respectfully request you both think about how you're arguing over words and genealogies and using this thread to distract yourselves from something else, whatever that is. Why don't you go listen to one of Ray's lectures or something useful.
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