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Kat:
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I guess a simple question to you Ian, is do you think there is a literal bodily resurrection for the elect yet to come in the future?
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Hi Kat,
I don’t wish to become confused by your question to Ian, you had mentioned a bodily resurrection from the grave ?
My understanding from Ray is that God is not going to resurrect our bodies after we die, they are going to decay but what I understood is that God will give everyone a new body.
God’s elect will receive a spiritual body and the rest will receive a new fleshly body. Is this understanding correct ?
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Yes Rick, as Ray had said, of course, the elect will be given a new body, I don't think this old body we have now will be much good, especially if it is in the grave for a long time there may not be any of it left...
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
But if you remember Christ attire His resurrection by to life, He came to the disciples as flesh and blood.
But if you remember Christ after His resurrection back to life, He came to the disciples as flesh and blood and ate something in their presence to prove He was really in a human body and not just a Spirit.
Luke 24:36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.”
v. 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
v. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
v. 39 “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
v. 40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
v. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?”
v. 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.
v. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.
So when the elect are raised, they will be "like Him" and I think this is one aspect they will share with Christ in that glorious state of being, that they can appear on earth as flesh and blood to the people they will be judging.
1John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hi Kat,
Thank you for your reply, there is something more about the resurrection that does confuse me, according to Ray’s paper and Eze 37:4
Eze 37:4 Again He said to me, Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the Word of Jehovah.
Eze 37:5 So says the Lord Jehovah to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live.
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews on you, and will bring up flesh on you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live. And you shall know that I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel prophecy does sound like God is rebuilding bodies up from the bone to the skin or at least that’s my interpretation of Ezekiel’s prophecy.
I’m understanding these scriptures as the resurrection onto the white throne judgement seeing where God’s elect are in their order before the many.
Could you elaborate further on this subject ? :-\
Kat:
Rick, I'm thinking the valley of dry bones in Ezekiel is speaking of the great white throne resurrection of the rest of the dead too. And I would think those in the resurrection of the rest of the dead would also need to be given new physical bodies too. The resurrection for the rest of the dead would seem to come in order after the 'first' resurrection... if you think about it, the elect will probably have some kind of induction into the kingdom - marriage supper of the Lamb? So maybe there would be a delay after the first resurrection when the elect ascend up to meet Christ in the air, for there to be a marriage supper before the elect to return to earth with Christ.
Rev 21:2 Then I, John,fn saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for afn thousand years.
v. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished (this first part is spurious). This is the first resurrection.
v. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
indianabob:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 25, 2015, 05:20:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 25, 2015, 04:13:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kat on July 25, 2015, 02:52:30 PM ---
To KAT in particular;
Comment from Indiana Bob,
"Kat, in the paragraph below, underlined by me, did you mean to say "flesh and BLOOD" or did you mean flesh and bone as given in scripture??
Just thought we should understand that there may be a difference...
Jesus gave his BLOOD for us and for humans their life is in the blood.
Yet when we are changed in the first resurrection our life will be spirit just as Jesus' is.
We will be immortal and no longer need a circulating blood system.
<subject to correction>
Indiana Bob
I guess a simple question to you Ian, is do you think there is a literal bodily resurrection for the elect yet to come in the future?
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Hi Kat,
I don’t wish to become confused by your question to Ian, you had mentioned a bodily resurrection from the grave ?
My understanding from Ray is that God is not going to resurrect our bodies after we die, they are going to decay but what I understood is that God will give everyone a new body.
God’s elect will receive a spiritual body and the rest will receive a new fleshly body. Is this understanding correct ?
--- End quote ---
Yes Rick, as Ray had said, of course, the elect will be given a new body, I don't think this old body we have now will be much good, especially if it is in the grave for a long time there may not be any of it left...
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
But if you remember Christ attire His resurrection by to life, He came to the disciples as flesh and blood.
But if you remember Christ after His resurrection back to life, He came to the disciples as flesh and blood and ate something in their presence to prove He was really in a human body and not just a Spirit.
Luke 24:36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.”
v. 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
v. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
v. 39 “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
v. 40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
v. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?”
v. 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.
v. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.
So when the elect are raised, they will be "like Him" and I think this is one aspect they will share with Christ in that glorious state of being, that they can appear on earth as flesh and blood to the people they will be judging.
1John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 25, 2015, 02:52:30 PM ---
I guess a simple question to you Ian, is do you think there is a literal bodily resurrection for the elect yet to come in the future?
mercy, peace and love
Kathy
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Hi Kat,you are aware I got banned for this :D...
these are my thoughts below
I believe everything is spiritual, to answer your question Id need a verse x2 to back myself..this I don't have and I don't think you will find one except for 2tim 2v18 I believe Hymenaeus and Philetus,believed in a "physical" resurrection and were blaspheming.
some pointers for me were the messenger speaking with Mary luke 24 ..."Why do you look for the living among the dead"
One could view this as "well the clothing (grave) were there and no bones" or one could see that the clothing is now no longer a hindrance... that is knowing HE will "re dress" us andthrow in some spiritual jewelry.
To my mind bones are symbolic ... Jesus said you are "whitewashed tombs full of dead mens bones" yet they were standing in front of him, chewing gum and breathing...
I used to see what Jesus did physically happens to us Physically... now I see everything he done Physically happens in us spiritually we raise the spiritually"dead" we heal the spiritually sick,we feed the poor in spirit etc
However carnal minds are full of vain Imaginations and are looking for the physical/or the "unless I see it literally, I wont believe" this is the exact opposite of faith though... and this is one pointer that separates us from them, for now.(sheep vs goats)
When Jesus (now resurrected) was on the road to Emmaus the 2 disciples had absolutely no idea who they were talking to - there eyes were opened after - when ? when they "broke bread" (revisited ,symbolically the "death").we are to do this often in our thoughts...
Luk 24:32 And they say to one another, "Was not our heart burning in us as He spoke to us on the road and as He opened up to us on the road and as He opened up to us the scriptures...
They recognised him after the Spirit not after his appearance
Long time back Ray got me thinking,(well I know now it was God using Ray) while speaking on carnality, quote "To be carnal is NOT Good,its BAD... for to be carnally minded IS DEATH.
Jesus makes the following statement "Let the dead bury the Dead", this, although imaginative, is literally impossible...
So no I do not believe we are raised physically or else we will not see God,who is Spirit and.. "Spirit begets Spirit".
There is an awful lot more on this, I am trying to get my head around the prodigal son now, which could be the greatest test, when considering these coming into the kingdom and we been studying ,crying,praying and they get to enter these heavens FREELY...There is more to being elect than meets the natural eye..one cant be sure if they are elect or can they ?
Even more pressing is, how does this help me now, I mean I'm living in a "real" world ..
this is a short prayer btw.
blessings
2Co 5:1 For we are aware that, if our terrestrial tabernacle house should be demolished, we have a building of God, a house not made by hands, eonian, in the heavens."
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