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Losing the Holy Spirit
Kat:
John, did not Jesus say in Matt 22 very specifically what He was speaking of?
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.
The Sadducees was speaking about whose wife the woman (not speaking to believers and no mention of them) would be in the resurrection and Christ was speaking of that issue, marriage in the next age. There is nothing in the passage that indicates this is speaking of spiritual bodies of the elect, you have to read that into it. This verse merely is saying the angels do not marry and neither will those in the next.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
Yes, Kat, I agree Jesus was specific in what He said in Mat 22:30.
He was talking about marriage not about sex. Marriage and sex are two different things, which is why they are two different words.
And as Ray mentioned in his article on marriage, sex is not required to make a marriage. Two different things.
But I am going to bow out of this discussion, and I'll tell you why. I have my opinion about sex after the 1st Resurrection. But I do not have at least two Scriptures to support that opinion.
But those who say no sex after the 1st Resurrection, do not have at least two Scriptures to support their opinion either.
God just does not discuss the subject in the Scriptures. We actually do not have that much solid knowledge of what it will be like in the Resurrection. Although there is much speculation.
octoberose:
Thank you all for the reply. I thought that was what you were speaking about but it was something like 4 in the morning when I was reading and I wanted to clarify!
I think I'm still on topic - well sort of- so let me ask this. We're talking about the first resurrection and what God has in store for the elect and then the 2nd resurrection which is the white throne judgement. What I have never been clear about is after the elect meet Jesus and are changed in a twinkling of an eye- what happens to everyone else until their judgement? You've touched on it but it's been a big black hole in my understanding. Are we to understand that a 1000 years is a literal amount of time, or is it a symbol of whatever time God has in store?
John from Kentucky:
Yes, the 1,000 years are symbolic. As is the Book of Revelation. It is written in symbols.
As Ray mentioned, all the symbols are explained elsewhere in the Scriptures. In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established, as guided by the Holy Spirit.
Kat:
Actually John, there is this same thing spoken of in Luke 20 in more detail.
Luke 20:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
v. 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
v. 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
v. 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
v. 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
v. 38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Now less you think that this passage that these "children of God" is speaking of the elect, this is in the next age, it's not in respect to their character, but nature as they're “being the children of the resurrection,” as it goes on to say Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be also at resurrection. Also it states in Revelation in the next age God will dwell among the people.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God and they His son.
Rev 21:6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
v. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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