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"So - Is there any difference?"
lilitalienboi16:
God has the right to kill because He alone makes alive. We humans do not have power over the spirit, to give life or take it back. This belongs to God alone.
Job 5:18 For he wounds, but he also binds up; he injures, but his hands also heal.
1 Samuel 2:6 "The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.
Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Deuteronomy 32:40 And say, I am the life, unto times age-abiding:
Killing another person--MURDER--is NEVER justified for us to do in the eyes of God. Humanity has yet much to learn and for most it will be in the next age in the lake. The scriptures have been presented to you and they are very plain. There is no confusion unless you wrestle with the scriptures to your own destruction.
God be with you,
Alex
judy:
kat, you used two words, deliberate and premeditated. In an unexpected act of violence against another i do not see where there is much time (usually these sort of things go down very quickly) where there is no time to deliberate or premeditate it is just a reaction by instinct. I certainly would not judge another for protecting themselves.
lauriellen:
God forbid that any of us be put in a situation where we would have to defend ourselves or others by force. I agree that we should shun violence with everything we have. Having said that, I disagree that all killing is murder, and I agree with Judy that none of us know with certainty what we would do in an unexpected situation when there is no time to think and a reflex/instinctual reaction takes over. I guess whatever we are led to do at that moment will be what God has willed for us to do. I always pray that God would deliver my family and I from all evil, and I also know by experience that He doesn't always. So, in every situation, my prayer is that God's will be done. I ask for guidance and deliverance, I am accountable, but as Ray used to say, God is responsible.
lauriellen.
Kat:
We should not be the way we used to be, we are not like the world, we do not operate according to the carnal instinct(?), we do not kill... that is the way of the old self, the way of the world.
Eph 4:17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles (Strong's - heathen) do, in the futility of their minds.
v. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
v. 19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.
v. 20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!—
Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
v. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
v. 17 even the Spirit of truth (Jesus Christ), whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. You know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
When Christ's Spirit comes indwelling, we are "renewed in the spirit of our minds," so that we no longer think like the world, our attitude is changed and we no longer depend on our self or the world for protection, our faith must be in God.
Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
v. 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
Rom 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
When Christ has clearly instructed us to "repay no one evil for evil," how can you think it is okay if you kill somebody for any reason? If we are obeying and feeding His Spirit within us, it will change our attitude about these things until our mind agrees with His Spirit in us. We must overcome the world and His Spirit in us will do just that.
John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease."
v. 31 He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth (Strong's - world) belongs to the earth and speaks in an earthly way. He who comes from heaven is above all.
1John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Nelson Boils:
"Trust me when I say that if it has not yet happened, it will, when your faith with be tried in a way that is just between you and your God, and there won't even be time to send me an email. Bottom line: Don't try to come up with 'hypothetical' situations in which you think that the laws of God and the ways of God would not be fair, or practical, or logical, and therefore would have to be changed, altered, or just totally thrown away as useless in practical, real life situations.
The shame is that many people who have used alternative measures to God's ways, and have failed in so doing, will never know how things would have been different had they just trusted God in the first place. It is oh so true, that "we learn obedience by the things WE SUFFER." - L.Ray Smith
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