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Are our thoughts really our thoughts ?
Dennis Vogel:
Dave said:
--- Quote ---The question was "are our thoughts really our thoughts". YES! YES, they are!
Are they 'caused'? YES! Yes, they are!
--- End quote ---
I've been attacked enough times to know that many evil thoughts are caused by external forces. I remind myself that the thought did not originate in me.
Dave in Tenn:
Maybe I have been too, Dennis, but never recognized it. I tend to think these 'thoughts' are down in there, in the "O man" waiting to be dragged up in the open.
Dave in Tenn:
There are at least five words translated "thought" in the New Testament (more if you count the verb forms of the nouns and noun forms of the verbs). This is also true in English, when we 'think' about it. There are passing thoughts, considered opinions, beliefs, fantasies, imaginations, intentions, etc...as well as reactions against all of those which are also 'thoughts'.
Here are the five I found with Strong's numbers, Thayer's definitions, and a sample verse which is translated from the appropriate Greek word. I didn't even look at the OT, though I suspect there are at least as many Hebrew words translated 'thought(s)'.
G1380
δοκέω
dokeō
Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Thayer Definition:
1) to be of opinion, think, suppose
2) to seem, to be accounted, reputed
3) it seems to me
3a) I think, judge: thus in question
3b) it seems good to, pleased me, I determined
G1261
διαλογισμός
dialogismos
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Thayer Definition:
1) the thinking of a man deliberating with himself
1a) a thought, inward reasoning
1b) purpose, design
2) a deliberating, questioning about what is true
2a) hesitation, doubting
2b) disputing, arguing
Part of Speech: noun masculine
G3309
μεριμνάω
merimnaō
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Thayer Definition:
1) to be anxious
1a) to be troubled with cares
2) to care for, look out for (a thing)
2a) to seek to promote one’s interests
2b) caring or providing for
G1761
ἐνθύμησις
enthumēsis
Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
Thayer Definition:
1) a thinking, consideration
2) thoughts
G2233
ἡγέομαι
hēgeomai
2Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
Thayer Definition:
1) to lead
1a) to go before
1b) to be a leader
1b1) to rule, command
1b2) to have authority over
1b3) a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
1b4) used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
1b5) the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
2) to consider, deem, account, think
Maybe some serious thought on what scripture actually says will help determine an answer to the question rather than lumping every 'type' or 'flavor' of thought together.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts (G1761 ἐνθύμησις enthumēsis) and intents of the heart.
Wittenberg:
Coveting is a thought. Is God only sovereign over physical sin, ie murder or theft?
Just a thought
Porter:
Very quiet or subtle thoughts can be hard to notice if I'm not paying attention. When they are noticed it's like whoa where the heck did that come from? Internal or external I have no idea, but it's obvious they were caused.
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