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1 Cor 15:51
Mike Gagne:
Hi Kat, I just can't help but thinking on this, Part of your quote
--- Quote ---Notwithstanding, based on all the usage's of this word apatesis [to meet], and we read them all, when someone went out to meet someone else, where did they always go next? That’s right, back where they came from. So if God is consistent with the use of this word, then when the saints of I Thes. 4 meet the Lord in the air, they will then return with Christ back to the EARTH!
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Thats huge, so if the elect will be like him will they not be omnipresent? And if so meeting in the air and coming back here could well have them in both places at once? And the elect could be in the hearts of men holding them accountable at the same time? Them being cast into the lake of fire, the elect, wow how will that work? Wow so much to think on! I guess Paul new somethings, that he could tell us to set are minds on the prize of the high calling!! How awesome is our God...
Michael
Dave in Tenn:
Michael, the only way I can think about it is that the elect will be like Christ on this earth after His own resurrection.
Kat:
--- Quote from: Michael G on March 28, 2016, 01:46:25 AM --- Hi Kat, I just can't help but thinking on this, Part of your quote
--- Quote ---Notwithstanding, based on all the usage's of this word apatesis [to meet], and we read them all, when someone went out to meet someone else, where did they always go next? That’s right, back where they came from. So if God is consistent with the use of this word, then when the saints of I Thes. 4 meet the Lord in the air, they will then return with Christ back to the EARTH!
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Thats huge, so if the elect will be like him will they not be omnipresent? And if so meeting in the air and coming back here could well have them in both places at once? And the elect could be in the hearts of men holding them accountable at the same time? Them being cast into the lake of fire, the elect, wow how will that work? Wow so much to think on! I guess Paul new somethings, that he could tell us to set are minds on the prize of the high calling!! How awesome is our God...
Michael
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Omnipresent is certainly a quality that God has, but I think that is specifically speaking of the Father. The Father is beyond anything I can comprehend, being everywhere at once, is certainly one of them and no doubt He has many qualities that we in the physical cannot relate to. Christ is able to draw on all of those qualities I suppose, but He was brought forth as a being with a spiritual body/image and that does not appear, to me, to be omnipresent as the Father is.
When the elect are giving glorious spiritual bodies I do believe they will have the qualities that Jesus has and exhibited after resurrection, like Dave was speaking of. I cannot understand what it is like to be invisible as Christ was when He vanished from the disciples sight... I do understand that to exist in the spiritual realm, another dimension beyond the physical world, you do not have a 'physical' body, but a spiritual body. But to interact with the physical realm, just as Christ did after resurrection you do need a physical body and I would suppose the elect can take on a physical body to appear to the physical world as He did.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
Hi Dave, Kat
Yes I do agree with you as these scriptures say what you are saying
Mar 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Joh 21:4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus
John 20:14 (KJV)
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Luke 24:31 (KJV)
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
John 20:19-29 (KJV)
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Here is a quote from LRay
--- Quote ---"And NO MAN has ascended up to heaven [God’s heaven], but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN [right at the very time He was speaking these words]" (John 3:13).
Jesus could live "on earth" and "in heaven" at the same time! But carnal men live in the heaven of their minds all the time. Man’s heaven is a place of spiritual delusion; whereas God’s heaven is a place of spiritual enlightenment.
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I was thinking
John 10:30 (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us
John 17:11 (KJV)
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we
Thats why I was thinking about omnipresent, I guess that being in two places at the same time does't add up to omnipresent. But is Jesus not in His Father who is Omnipresent and would not that make Him Omnipresent?
Thanks Michael
Kat:
--- Quote from: Michael G on March 28, 2016, 12:26:40 PM ---
Here is a quote from LRay
--- Quote ---"And NO MAN has ascended up to heaven [God’s heaven], but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN [right at the very time He was speaking these words]" (John 3:13).
Jesus could live "on earth" and "in heaven" at the same time! But carnal men live in the heaven of their minds all the time. Man’s heaven is a place of spiritual delusion; whereas God’s heaven is a place of spiritual enlightenment.
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I was thinking
John 10:30 (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us
John 17:11 (KJV)
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we
Thats why I was thinking about omnipresent, I guess that being in two places at the same time does't add up to omnipresent. But is Jesus not in His Father who is Omnipresent and would not that make Him Omnipresent?
Thanks Michael
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Knowing that the Son was brought forth with the image of a man, I don't think He needs to be omnipresent as the Father is... He is in the form of a man to serve God's purpose. Every place that speaks of God's image in OT is of a man, when Ezekiel had 'visions' of God in His magnificent appearance He appeared like a man. We know this is who became Jesus.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
And He is still the same, as a man, since His resurrection in the NT.
1Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
As you showed Christ is totally one with the Father and not a separate being. They are one in Spirit and mind and that's how the Father operates, it's through Christ to do what is necessary for this physical world. Christ is the Father's means of working, by and through the being of His Son, that He designed to be like us in the form of a man. That's how Jesus could say "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:9).
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Christ can automatically draw on all the powers of the Father... even the Spirit of Christ that believers receive is from the Father.
John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
So anyway I'm just seeing that you can't separate the Father from Christ... even though the Father is certainly omnipresent, I don't see Christ that way. Christ is in the image of a man so we can know and relate to God and that is how I believe it is suppose to be.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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