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New Testament Scriptural Definition of Sin
Kat:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on August 19, 2016, 06:23:54 AM ---
I know that The Scriptures state that The Law (of Moses) is meant for sinners and not for the Righteous - and we are not under Law but under Grace.
Yet, in the New Covenant Jesus Commanded His Elect to obey a higher Law and to obey all the Commandments of God.
If the Elect were sinners that sinned, and should now be saints (and no longer sinners - and sinners are those that break God's Law) that sin not (or at least have sin not dominate their lives - as sin is the transgression of His Law) - and yet the Elect are to obey all His Commandments - and Jesus Himself stated that we should always seek to do 'His Will and not our own will' - then, His Elect must have to obey His Word - and 'Do what He says' if His Elect claim to Love Him.
So if His Elect are no longer under Law but are now under Grace - why must His Elect 'Do All His Commandments'? Is this not the same as obeying Him? What does it mean to obey Him? Is it not the need to obey His spiritual Law? Were His Elect not told that the Law of Moses was spiritual; and the Old Testament people of God were carnal and could not obey His spiritual Law. Why then did Jesus expand on God's Law - showing that desiring to lust, is the same as committing that lust in God's Eyes?
Are not His Elect The Temple of God, where His Holy Spirit dwells? Must not His Elect Obey (Worship) Him in Spirit and in Truth?
What is True Worship? Is it not Obeying Him?
How can His Elect Obey Him?
His Elect, must live in The faith of Jesus Christ, under His Grace, by His Holy Spirit - and Worship (Obey) Him in Spirit and in Truth - and He has written His Law in their hearts and minds - and He continues to renew their minds to the Mind of Christ!
Hebrews 8:10: KJV:
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
If He has mandated that His Elect must have His Laws in the Elects' minds and written in the Elects' hearts - does this mean that 'His Laws' must be paramount and cannot ever be done away with?
That is The Question!
Is this one of His Absolute Truths?
What do you think?
Am I way off base here?
Kind Regards.
George
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Well if you consider that His laws represents His perfect righteousness, as I do, then yes it will never be done away with.
--- Quote ---So if His Elect are no longer under Law but are now under Grace - why must His Elect 'Do All His Commandments'? Is this not the same as obeying Him?
--- End quote ---
God's grace redeems us or bought and paid for us because of the penalty that the law brought on us by of our sin.
Gal 4:4 But when the right time finally came, God sent His own Son. He came as the son of a human mother and lived under the Jewish Law,
v. 5 to redeem (G1805) those who were under the Law, so that we might become God's children. (GNB)
G1805
exagorazō - to buy up, that is, ransom; figuratively to rescue from loss (improve opportunity): - redeem.
Rom 3:23 since all have sinned and continue to fall short of God's glory.
v. 24 By His grace they are justified freely through the redemption that is in the Messiah Jesus,
v. 25 whom God offered as a place where atonement by the Messiah's blood would occur through faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because he had waited patiently to deal with sins committed in the past. (ISV)
As long as we are in this carnal flesh and blood body we cannot live perfectly, sinless, we require to be redeemed and freed now from the penalty of the law, which is death and that's through "Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2) and give us life in the Spirit - "if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness" (Rom 8:10).
In these Scripture passages, Paul explains why we are no longer 'under' the law, I used some modern translations, it just makes it a bit easier to read.
Rom 7:6 Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners. No longer do we serve in the old way of a written law, but in the new way of the Spirit.
v. 7 Shall we say, then, that the Law itself is sinful? Of course not! But it was the Law that made me know what sin is. If the Law had not said, "Do not desire what belongs to someone else," I would not have known such a desire.
Rom 7:12 So then, the Law itself is holy, and the commandment is holy, right, and good.
v. 13 But does this mean that what is good caused my death? By no means! It was sin that did it; by using what is good, sin brought death to me, in order that its true nature as sin might be revealed. And so, by means of the commandment sin is shown to be even more terribly sinful.
v. 14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a mortal, sold as a slave to sin. (GNB)
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
v. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
v. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
v. 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Gal 3:10 Those who depend on obeying the Law live under a curse. For the scripture says, "Whoever does not always obey everything that is written in the book of the Law is under God's curse!" (Deu 27:26)
v. 11 Now, it is clear that no one is put right with God by means of the Law, because the scripture says, "Only the person who is put right with God through faith shall live."
v. 12 But the Law has nothing to do with faith. Instead, as the scripture says, "Whoever does everything the Law requires will live."
v. 13 But by becoming a curse for us Christ has redeemed us from the curse that the Law brings; for the scripture says, "Anyone who is hanged on a tree is under God's curse."
v. 14 Christ did this in order that the blessing which God promised to Abraham might be given to the Gentiles by means of Christ Jesus, so that through faith we might receive the Spirit promised by God.
Gal 3:17 What I mean is that God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law, which was given four hundred and thirty years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God's promise.
v. 18 For if God's gift depends on the Law, then it no longer depends on His promise. However, it was because of His promise that God gave that gift to Abraham.
v. 19 What, then, was the purpose of the Law? It was added in order to show what wrongdoing is, and it was meant to last until the coming of Abraham's descendant, to whom the promise was made. The Law was handed down by angels, with a man acting as a go-between (mediator).
v. 20 But a go-between is not needed when only one person is involved; and God is one.
v. 21 Does this mean that the Law is against God's promises? No, not at all! For if human beings had received a law that could bring life, then everyone could be put right with God by obeying it.
v. 22 But the scripture says that the whole world is under the power of sin; and so the gift which is promised on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ is given to those who believe.
v. 23 But before the time for faith came, the Law kept us all locked up (G3807 - a tutor - instructor, schoolmaster) as prisoners until this coming faith should be revealed.
v. 24 And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith.
v. 25 Now that the time for faith is here, the Law is no longer in charge of us.
v. 26 It is through faith that all of you are God's children in union with Christ Jesus.
v. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (GNB)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
cheekie3:
Kat -
Thank you for sharing these Scriptures about the Law of Sin and Death, and Our redemption which is in Christ Jesus through His Faith and by the Grace of God.
This is very helpful:
--- Quote from: Kat on August 19, 2016, 02:03:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on August 19, 2016, 06:23:54 AM ---
I know that The Scriptures state that The Law (of Moses) is meant for sinners and not for the Righteous - and we are not under Law but under Grace.
Yet, in the New Covenant Jesus Commanded His Elect to obey a higher Law and to obey all the Commandments of God.
If the Elect were sinners that sinned, and should now be saints (and no longer sinners - and sinners are those that break God's Law) that sin not (or at least have sin not dominate their lives - as sin is the transgression of His Law) - and yet the Elect are to obey all His Commandments - and Jesus Himself stated that we should always seek to do 'His Will and not our own will' - then, His Elect must have to obey His Word - and 'Do what He says' if His Elect claim to Love Him.
So if His Elect are no longer under Law but are now under Grace - why must His Elect 'Do All His Commandments'? Is this not the same as obeying Him? What does it mean to obey Him? Is it not the need to obey His spiritual Law? Were His Elect not told that the Law of Moses was spiritual; and the Old Testament people of God were carnal and could not obey His spiritual Law. Why then did Jesus expand on God's Law - showing that desiring to lust, is the same as committing that lust in God's Eyes?
Are not His Elect The Temple of God, where His Holy Spirit dwells? Must not His Elect Obey (Worship) Him in Spirit and in Truth?
What is True Worship? Is it not Obeying Him?
How can His Elect Obey Him?
His Elect, must live in The faith of Jesus Christ, under His Grace, by His Holy Spirit - and Worship (Obey) Him in Spirit and in Truth - and He has written His Law in their hearts and minds - and He continues to renew their minds to the Mind of Christ!
Hebrews 8:10: KJV:
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
If He has mandated that His Elect must have His Laws in the Elects' minds and written in the Elects' hearts - does this mean that 'His Laws' must be paramount and cannot ever be done away with?
That is The Question!
Is this one of His Absolute Truths?
What do you think?
Am I way off base here?
Kind Regards.
George
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Well if you consider that His laws represents His perfect righteousness, as I do, then yes it will never be done away with.
--- Quote ---So if His Elect are no longer under Law but are now under Grace - why must His Elect 'Do All His Commandments'? Is this not the same as obeying Him?
--- End quote ---
God's grace redeems us or bought and paid for us because of the penalty that the law brought on us by of our sin.
Gal 4:4 But when the right time finally came, God sent His own Son. He came as the son of a human mother and lived under the Jewish Law,
v. 5 to redeem (G1805) those who were under the Law, so that we might become God's children. (GNB)
G1805
exagorazō - to buy up, that is, ransom; figuratively to rescue from loss (improve opportunity): - redeem.
Rom 3:23 since all have sinned and continue to fall short of God's glory.
v. 24 By His grace they are justified freely through the redemption that is in the Messiah Jesus,
v. 25 whom God offered as a place where atonement by the Messiah's blood would occur through faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because he had waited patiently to deal with sins committed in the past. (ISV)
As long as we are in this carnal flesh and blood body we cannot live perfectly, sinless, we require to be redeemed and freed now from the penalty of the law, which is death and that's through "Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2) and give us life in the Spirit - "if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness" (Rom 8:10).
In these Scripture passages, Paul explains why we are no longer 'under' the law, I used some modern translations, it just makes it a bit easier to read.
Rom 7:6 Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners. No longer do we serve in the old way of a written law, but in the new way of the Spirit.
v. 7 Shall we say, then, that the Law itself is sinful? Of course not! But it was the Law that made me know what sin is. If the Law had not said, "Do not desire what belongs to someone else," I would not have known such a desire.
Rom 7:12 So then, the Law itself is holy, and the commandment is holy, right, and good.
v. 13 But does this mean that what is good caused my death? By no means! It was sin that did it; by using what is good, sin brought death to me, in order that its true nature as sin might be revealed. And so, by means of the commandment sin is shown to be even more terribly sinful.
v. 14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a mortal, sold as a slave to sin. (GNB)
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
v. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
v. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
v. 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Gal 3:10 Those who depend on obeying the Law live under a curse. For the scripture says, "Whoever does not always obey everything that is written in the book of the Law is under God's curse!" (Deu 27:26)
v. 11 Now, it is clear that no one is put right with God by means of the Law, because the scripture says, "Only the person who is put right with God through faith shall live."
v. 12 But the Law has nothing to do with faith. Instead, as the scripture says, "Whoever does everything the Law requires will live."
v. 13 But by becoming a curse for us Christ has redeemed us from the curse that the Law brings; for the scripture says, "Anyone who is hanged on a tree is under God's curse."
v. 14 Christ did this in order that the blessing which God promised to Abraham might be given to the Gentiles by means of Christ Jesus, so that through faith we might receive the Spirit promised by God.
Gal 3:17 What I mean is that God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law, which was given four hundred and thirty years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God's promise.
v. 18 For if God's gift depends on the Law, then it no longer depends on His promise. However, it was because of His promise that God gave that gift to Abraham.
v. 19 What, then, was the purpose of the Law? It was added in order to show what wrongdoing is, and it was meant to last until the coming of Abraham's descendant, to whom the promise was made. The Law was handed down by angels, with a man acting as a go-between (mediator).
v. 20 But a go-between is not needed when only one person is involved; and God is one.
v. 21 Does this mean that the Law is against God's promises? No, not at all! For if human beings had received a law that could bring life, then everyone could be put right with God by obeying it.
v. 22 But the scripture says that the whole world is under the power of sin; and so the gift which is promised on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ is given to those who believe.
v. 23 But before the time for faith came, the Law kept us all locked up (G3807 - a tutor - instructor, schoolmaster) as prisoners until this coming faith should be revealed.
v. 24 And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith.
v. 25 Now that the time for faith is here, the Law is no longer in charge of us.
v. 26 It is through faith that all of you are God's children in union with Christ Jesus.
v. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (GNB)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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This is a difficult issue to fully understand.
I understand that most (but not all) New Testament Scriptures that relate to 'Law', are referring to 'The Law of Sin and Death' that has dominion of all carnal men and women because of 'sin'.
If 'sin' is the transgression of 'Law', then we all need to be 'pardoned', and we need to stop being 'carnal'.
How can we be free from the dominion of 'sin'?
By becoming a 'New Creature' in Christ Jesus', whereby we are baptised into His Body (The Elect); and His Holy Spirit indwells us, as we become part of His Temple.
It is His Spirit in us, that enables us to no longer desire to 'sin' and 'transgress His Law'.
But His Commandments that we must obey can only be obeyed in Spirit and in Truth.
As Jesus said, 'my will is to do the Will of My Father'.
That is my desire too, and it has been for many years.
It is Christ in Me, that in Spirit, enables us to desire, to no longer 'transgress His Royal Law'.
Are not The Holy Scriptures a Book of His Laws; with instructions to each one of us, on how to live a Righteous Life, in Spirit and In Truth - pleasing to Our Heavenly Father?
Are we free to choose not to obey His Royal Law?
Is Our Heavenly Father not Our Lawgiver?
If All Law is no longer required to be obeyed, why are there so many New Testament Scriptures stating that we must obey His Law:
Romans 2:13: KJV:
(for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:18: KJV:
and knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Romans 2:18: KJV:
thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Romans 2:26: KJV:
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Romans 3:27: KJV:
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(So, do we conclude that Faith has a Law?)
Romans 3:27: KJV:
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 7:22: KJV:
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Romans 7:25 KJV:
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:2 KJV:
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
(So, do we have The Law of The Spirit Of Life in Christ Jesus, which made us free, from the law of sin and death?)
Romans 8:7 KJV:
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(So, are His Elect to be subject to The Law of God?)
1 Corinthians 9:21: KJV:
to them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
(So, are His Elect under The Law of Christ?)
1 Corinthians 4:34: KJV:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Galatians 5:14: KJV:
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(So, can we Love our neighbour as ourselves, without His Law?)
Galatians 6:2: KJV:
Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
(So, are The Elect to fulfil The Law of Christ?)
Hebrews 7:12: KJV:
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
(So, was the Law changed for His Elect?)
Hebrews 8:10: KJV:
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(So, are The Elect to have His Laws put in their minds and written in their hearts?)
Hebrews 10:16: KJV:
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(So, are The Elect to have His Laws put in their hearts and written in their minds?)
James 1:25: KJV:
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
(So, are His Elect to look into the Perfect Law of Liberty?)
James 2:8: KJV:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(So, are His Elect to fulfil His Royal Law?)
James 2:12: KJV:
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
(So, are His Elect to be judged by The Law of Liberty?)
To me, His Law (and Laws) are enshrined within His Word; and we must be careful to determine which Law or Laws is referenced in particular Scriptures.
I am sorry to go on and on about this.
But I do not see that we can ever be free from Our Heavenly Lawgiver, and His Holy and Spiritual Laws - which He Commands us to obey (In The Faith of Jesus Christ) via His Grace; so that wee can Worship Him in Spirit and in Truth - by obeying His Commandments.
Is not all of our natural environment governed by His Laws?
Although we are under His Grace, to me, it appears that we are also to obey His Royal Law (in Spirit and in Truth).
If I am wrong, then I am wrong.
All I know, is that I will continue to seek His Knowledge of His Truths - as He has put this desire in my heart and in my mind.
Kind Regards.
George
Dave in Tenn:
That "sin is the transgression of the law" is, to my mind, not the definition of sin. SIN is a word--not a bible-word or a theological concept.
Here's what Paul wrote about his OWN experience with "law-keeping" among other things.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
No amount of theologizing and "defining scripturally" can make "blameless according to the law" mean something other than loss, or dung compared to what replaced it in Paul's own life.
Why does he speak in such strong terms?
Php 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
Php 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
All I can tell you is, you've either discovered this or you haven't. You've either fallen or you haven't. You've either recognized within yourt own spirit that alms-giving, tithing, circumcision, fasting, et al CAN BE SIN or you haven't. You've either seen the man of perdition revealed even if you are "Blameless according to the 'righteousness' which is the law" or you haven't. I don't "agree with Paul" out of theological necessity. I agree with Paul in that I've lived this too, though *my* "law" was not solely and exclusively the Law of Moses. This is where I start, and no "understanding" of these things that doesn't include this (and other passages) is or can be "true".
lilitalienboi16:
Well George, the way I understand it is, the law was and is spiritual, and it was the 10th commandment, 'don't covet', i.e. don't lust, i.e. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, that proved this to paull. after all, isn't that what Jesus said, don't even think about it? Dont lust after a woman in your heart, not just don't fornicate with her but don't even think about it!
So the old covenent is the ten commandments, which is part of the law of Moses, but the problem wasn't with the 10 commandments, it was with the heart of man, so the law came so that all might be found guilty, and then, a change was made, a new covenent which was to be written on the hearts of believers that to allow us to exceed in righteousness of the pharisees. That would make us able and spiritual, having life. How? Well the pharisees are trying to keep the law, which is spiritual, without Christ, with their filthy rags, which cannot be done for no man has power to not THINK (lust, covet) though he may outwardly appear to be righteouss and holy. But there is ONE WHO CAN keep Himself from coveting--JESUS. As the new covenent, He making His home in us, takes us beyond the just looking righteous to truly becoming holy by changing our hearts and minds. Yet if you try and keep that spiritual law of yourself, as all of israel after the flesh is trying, you will invariably fail because the 10th commandment will condemn you.
Jesus also showed us just how spiritual God's law is, i.e. love your enemies, don't hate them! Don't even THINK about hating your brother or you might as well have murdered him. But in Jesus our righteousness is fullfilled. He will complete us.
Hopefully this helps some. Its how I understand things. I also understand this is a difficult topic.
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
Hi George, certainly Christ made it clear that He was not doing away with the laws, but fulfilling them.
Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
v. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
The thing is we cannot stop being carnal, as long as we are in these fleshly bodies we will sin, we are not perfected while in the flesh. That's what Paul is speaking of in Romans 7 in saying v. 25 "with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin," so not perfect. It takes something more than our obeying perfectly.
1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
v. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (also Php 3:12 below)
Well what about this verse "Whoever abides IN Him does not sin" (1John 3:6)? Notice what John had just stated in verse 5 "He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin." That's how we have no sin, we are IN Him.
Yes indeed the chosen certainly are overcomers (1 John 4:4), are "set free from sin" (Rom 6:22), but only by Christ's blood covering our sin past, present and future, not because we can live perfect and sinless, but we're "justified by His grace" (Titus 3:7).
Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but through faith in Jesus Christ; even we believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith in Christ, and not by works of the Law. For all flesh will not be justified by works of law.
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
v. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.
Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Yes if His Spirit is indwelling then you are being prepared and perfected, but that takes the rest of your life in the flesh. Our sinning is often a learning lesson by which His chastening is teaching us something, how can He chasten if we literally do not sin?
Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and chastises every son whom He receives."
Php 3:8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
v. 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith IN Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
v. 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,
v. 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
v. 12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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