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Can he come today?
Hellisfake:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 22, 2016, 07:42:16 PM ---How many Trumpets will sound before the last one? What happens when the last one sounds?
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For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
That is what will happens. But what i do not quite understand, is that the Bible seems to say two different things. It will be a greatslaughter of humanity, that if it weren't for God shortening those days no flesh would be left, or,
"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark"
This two seems to contradict each other, Noas days, like a ordinary day, or a time with a great slaughter? Cant get this to fit?
cheekie3:
Hellisfake -
--- Quote from: Hellisfake on November 20, 2016, 12:50:04 PM ---Hi everybody! Here is a question for you:
Could Jesus come today, or is it something that has to take place before he can come, something we can be aware of?
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I understand that there are currently two (2) kingdoms in the Heavens and on the Earth; the kingdom of Satan and his demons and messengers - and the Kingdom of Almighty God whose King of kings and Lord of lords is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Himself stated that the kingdom of Satan cannot prevail against the Kingdom of Almighty God.
His Elect must remain in Him; and that is the only way that His Elect will know when He will Return - as His Holy Spirit will confirm (to His Elect) that future time, when it is at hand; and He Will change His Elects Bodies into Spiritual Bodies - so that His True Church (of The Living and the Dead in Christ Jesus) can join Him in the Clouds.
Jesus Himself stated that only Our Heavenly Father knows the time of His Return.
With regards to the state of things - I believe it is very difficult to try and determine how close to His Return we are - and mass deception has always been with us throughout this Age of Grace - as Satan is a liar, a thief, a murderer, a deceiver and evil.
Mankind did not follow Almighty God in Noah's day, nor in any other day - except for those He touched (inspired) in the Old Testament or Called Out (His True Church in the New Testament).
Kind Regards.
George
lareli:
--- Quote from: Hellisfake on November 23, 2016, 05:33:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 22, 2016, 07:42:16 PM ---How many Trumpets will sound before the last one? What happens when the last one sounds?
--- End quote ---
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
That is what will happens. But what i do not quite understand, is that the Bible seems to say two different things. It will be a greatslaughter of humanity, that if it weren't for God shortening those days no flesh would be left, or,
"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark"
This two seems to contradict each other, Noas days, like a ordinary day, or a time with a great slaughter? Cant get this to fit?
--- End quote ---
It will be like in the days of Noah... in the days of Noah they were eating, drinking, marrying etc. but they were also exceedingly evil weren't they? So isn't it possible that when the Lord returns we (humanity) will be going about as if all is normal, eating, drinking, marrying... and being exceedingly evil and not realizing how evil we are? Or recognizing a great slaughter when we see it?
Or perhaps the great slaughter has been happening for hundreds or thousands of years already?
Hellisfake:
--- Quote from: largeli on November 23, 2016, 12:48:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hellisfake on November 23, 2016, 05:33:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 22, 2016, 07:42:16 PM ---How many Trumpets will sound before the last one? What happens when the last one sounds?
--- End quote ---
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
That is what will happens. But what i do not quite understand, is that the Bible seems to say two different things. It will be a greatslaughter of humanity, that if it weren't for God shortening those days no flesh would be left, or,
"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark"
This two seems to contradict each other, Noas days, like a ordinary day, or a time with a great slaughter? Cant get this to fit?
--- End quote ---
It will be like in the days of Noah... in the days of Noah they were eating, drinking, marrying etc. but they were also exceedingly evil weren't they? So isn't it possible that when the Lord returns we (humanity) will be going about as if all is normal, eating, drinking, marrying... and being exceedingly evil and not realizing how evil we are? Or recognizing a great slaughter when we see it?
Or perhaps the great slaughter has been happening for hundreds or thousands of years already?
--- End quote ---
Yea, you made a good point, much of evil living, and usual living. I must content myself with that answer, Thank YOU :D
Dave in Tenn:
Evil=H7451
רעה רע
ra‛ râ‛âh
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]
This is the same "evil" that is in the fruit of the tree.
There is no moral bias to the word.
Here's this verse from "concordant" versions of this verse..
Genesis 6:5
(CLV) And seeing is Yahweh Elohim that much is the evil of humanity in the earth, and every form of the devices of its heart is but evil all its days.
(LEB) And Yahweh saw that the evil of humankind was great upon the earth, and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was always only evil.
(LITV) And Jehovah saw that the evil of man was great on the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the day long.
Try this: Just take the first five "definitions" (excluding 'evil') and read it that way.
(CLV) And seeing is Yahweh Elohim that much is the bad of humanity in the earth, and every form of the devices of its heart is but bad all its days.
(LEB) And Yahweh saw that the adversity of humankind was great upon the earth, and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was always only adversity.
(LITV) And Jehovah saw that the affliction of man was great on the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only affliction all the day long.
(CLV) And seeing is Yahweh Elohim that much is the calamity of humanity in the earth, and every form of the devices of its heart is but calamity all its days.
(LEB) And Yahweh saw that the distress of humankind was great upon the earth, and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was always only distress.
Small wonder Noah built the ark. :) Sounds like several things it's good to be saved from, if I lived in the days of Noah. I'd want to get away from that too, especially if the thoughts of my heart were true, honest, just, lovely--in other words, GOOD--or at least I wanted them to be. Come to think of it, I DID want them to be almost nine years ago. Somehow, despite all my "sin" and "wickedness", He's been my Ark.
Of course God completely failed to wipe out sin and wickedness (the KJV and it's 'followers' choices of words) from the face of the land by drowning all those folks. According to most, that was His purpose. The ark had barely landed before Noah and crew were at it again. On to Plan C?
Or maybe I'm just being cryptic and pedantic again.
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