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cheekie3:
Hellisfake -
You raise a very interesting question:
--- Quote from: Hellisfake on December 11, 2016, 07:05:35 PM ---Hello friends! A question for you: How important do you think God looks at this with having the right doctrine? In addition to that we have to overcome sin to be one of the chosen ones, how much do you believe that God requires of us that the doctrine is right? Do you think that there is a minimum level of it? And do you have any thoughts on where this level is?
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Can you see the answer to your question from these Scriptures (from the KJV); the false doctrines, and the True Doctrines - and how to decern the false from the good:
Deuteronomy 32:2
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
Job 11:4
For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure, and I am clean in thine eyes.
Proverbs 4:2
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Isaiah 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isaiah 29:24
They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
Jeremiah 10:8
But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
Matthew 7:28
And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matthew 16:12
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Matthew 22:33
And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
Mark 1:22
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.
Mark 1:27
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.
Mark 4:2
And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 11:18
And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
Mark 12:38
And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
Luke 4:32
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
John 7:16
Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:17
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 18:19
The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Acts 5:28
saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.
Acts 13:12
Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
Acts 17:19
And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
Romans 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1 Corinthians 14:6
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
1 Corinthians 14:26
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
Ephesians 4:14
that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Colossians 2:22
which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
1 Timothy 1:3
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1 Timothy 1:10
for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1 Timothy 4:13
Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
1 Timothy 5:17
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
1 Timothy 6:3
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 4:2
preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Titus 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
Titus 2:7
In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Titus 2:10
not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2
of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 13:9
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Revelation 2:14
But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Revelation 2:15
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Revelation 2:24
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Warmest Regards.
George
Hellisfake:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 11, 2016, 10:22:13 PM ---Heb 12:1 Let *us* also therefore, having so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, laying aside every weight, and sin which so easily entangles us, run with endurance the race that lies before us,
Heb 12:2 looking stedfastly on Jesus the leader and completer of faith: who, in view of the joy lying before him, endured the cross, having despised the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider well him who endured so great contradiction from sinners against himself, that ye be not weary, fainting in your minds.
Read the parables concerning the Kingdom of the Heavens. Here's one.
Mat 13:18 Then hear the parable of the sower:
Mat 13:19 Everyone hearing the Word of the kingdom, and not understanding, then the evil one comes and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is that sown by the roadside.
Mat 13:20 And that sown on the stony places is this: the one hearing the Word, and immediately receiving it with joy,
Mat 13:21 but has no root in himself, but is temporary, and tribulation, or persecution occurring because of the Word, he is at once offended.
Mat 13:22 And that sown into the thorn bushes is this: the one hearing the Word, and the anxiety of this age, and the deceit of riches, choke the Word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mat 13:23 But that sown on the good ground is this: the one hearing the Word, and understanding it, who indeed bears and yields fruit, one truly a hundredfold, and one sixty, and one thirty.
You're in there. Try not to let old sermons cloud your thinking on what all that means. It will mean to you what it means in YOUR race. HE throws the seed. You are some type of ground. He already knows what type. You are discovering it along the way. And you won't know what it means in full until it has already happened. We are HIS workmanship and He's working IN us. "...laying aside every weight, and sin (error, mistake, anxiety, deceit) which so easily entangles us..." Why be concerned with a "minimum level"?
What else is someone supposed to tell you? If I didn't think my "doctrine" was "right", would I have it? I'd be mentally unhinged if I didn't actually believe what it is I actually believe. I'd just be a liar if I didn't believe what I SAID I believed. How can I know "more" or "less" today than I know today?
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Hi! I must explain why I ask this question. I'm not worried for myself, I have peace in my heart. There is more to all others who have not come to this understanding as we have done. Almost all the pages out there on the internet that I have found who believe in Jesus will save all, almost always have something else wrong in their learning.
Some teach the Trinity, some believe that when we die, the soul to heaven, one thinks that the physical baptism is important, some believe that a person who comes as an antichrist, some believe that there are two Gospel , one for Gentiles and Jews. But they do believe that God is sovereign, and will save all humans.
So my question is, can they still have this error in your belife, and still be one of the choosed? Or does God take the choosen out of this teaching errors total?
Pini56:
Hello,
As I have Said. There should be no schisms among the Brethren. We should all be of the same mind, that being Christ.
Unfortunately this is not the case. As the Scripture says, that The Spirit Of The Lord (Holy Spirit) will lead you into all Truth.
If you do indeed have this Spirit dwelling within you, you will be Led into all Truth. That is a promise. But most will not in this Age Finish the Race because you need to endure to the end. And the truth is the truth, there must be no error.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is OF THE TRUTH HEARETH MY VOICE.
Love To You All. Regards Geoff.
cheekie3:
Hellisfake -
Thank you for sharing this:
--- Quote from: Hellisfake on December 12, 2016, 06:32:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 11, 2016, 10:22:13 PM ---Heb 12:1 Let *us* also therefore, having so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, laying aside every weight, and sin which so easily entangles us, run with endurance the race that lies before us,
Heb 12:2 looking stedfastly on Jesus the leader and completer of faith: who, in view of the joy lying before him, endured the cross, having despised the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider well him who endured so great contradiction from sinners against himself, that ye be not weary, fainting in your minds.
Read the parables concerning the Kingdom of the Heavens. Here's one.
Mat 13:18 Then hear the parable of the sower:
Mat 13:19 Everyone hearing the Word of the kingdom, and not understanding, then the evil one comes and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is that sown by the roadside.
Mat 13:20 And that sown on the stony places is this: the one hearing the Word, and immediately receiving it with joy,
Mat 13:21 but has no root in himself, but is temporary, and tribulation, or persecution occurring because of the Word, he is at once offended.
Mat 13:22 And that sown into the thorn bushes is this: the one hearing the Word, and the anxiety of this age, and the deceit of riches, choke the Word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mat 13:23 But that sown on the good ground is this: the one hearing the Word, and understanding it, who indeed bears and yields fruit, one truly a hundredfold, and one sixty, and one thirty.
You're in there. Try not to let old sermons cloud your thinking on what all that means. It will mean to you what it means in YOUR race. HE throws the seed. You are some type of ground. He already knows what type. You are discovering it along the way. And you won't know what it means in full until it has already happened. We are HIS workmanship and He's working IN us. "...laying aside every weight, and sin (error, mistake, anxiety, deceit) which so easily entangles us..." Why be concerned with a "minimum level"?
What else is someone supposed to tell you? If I didn't think my "doctrine" was "right", would I have it? I'd be mentally unhinged if I didn't actually believe what it is I actually believe. I'd just be a liar if I didn't believe what I SAID I believed. How can I know "more" or "less" today than I know today?
--- End quote ---
Hi! I must explain why I ask this question. I'm not worried for myself, I have peace in my heart. There is more to all others who have not come to this understanding as we have done. Almost all the pages out there on the internet that I have found who believe in Jesus will save all, almost always have something else wrong in their learning.
Some teach the Trinity, some believe that when we die, the soul to heaven, one thinks that the physical baptism is important, some believe that a person who comes as an antichrist, some believe that there are two Gospel , one for Gentiles and Jews. But they do believe that God is sovereign, and will save all humans.
So my question is, can they still have this error in your belife, and still be one of the choosed? Or does God take the choosen out of this teaching errors total?
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To me, 'The Truth sets us free'; and 'His Doctrines are Truth', so it is very important that we know 'His Truth Doctrines' if you will.
Regarding, whether or not, anyone of us are part of His Elect - only He really knows - and as Ray has mentioned, on many occasions, we will only know if we are part of His Elect, when we are Resurrected (if we have died physically), or 'changed in the twinkling of an eye' (if we are alive during the last generation in this Age of Grace, just prior to His Return to Earth).
Not one of us here on this Forum knows all - but I believe most of us here know most of 'His Truth Doctrines' - and The Scriptures confirm that 'if He dragged you to Himself as part of His Elect, He will complete His Works in you, in this Age of Grace).
I hope this helps a little.
Warmest Regards.
George
Porter:
I don't know about any minimum, but I do know that a chosen of God has to have left their "first love" and had "the beast within" revealed to him or her first before the process of salvation can begin.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
It really seems to me that if one hasn't at least been shown that everything they once believed concerning God was a lie and that they really truly never knew who Jesus was, then it's quite possible they were never chosen.
Overcoming the flesh, the carnal mind, this wicked world, the beast within and judgment could be considered a minimum, but that would be an understatement in my opinion, as they are quite the massive feats to accomplish. Without that there can be no salvation.
It's all good news, and the best news is that eventually everyone will know in that day.
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