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John 8:12-58 - How Jesus answered His accusers
cheekie3:
Dave -
Thank you for your response:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 11, 2017, 04:19:55 AM ---You said:
I believe most of us on this forum agree with one of the following:
A. Our Creator is Our Heavenly Father who created all things through His only Begotten Son - who is the 'Firstborn'.
B. The Father and The Son always existed - and The Son was not created.
A: Dennis addressed this.
B. I don't know of anybody who believes this the way you've put it....unless they are in general disagreement with Ray on the subject. Ray said it was axiomatic that without "Son" there is no "Father". Do you think I can explain that as opposed to the way you put it, in a forum post? "The way you've put it" is why I made my points. No boxes.
I appreciate the fact that you've posted links and pieces of the articles. I would rather you didn't "summarize". Not on this topic. It gets us nowhere.
--- End quote ---
Duly noted and accepted.
Warmest Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
Just to clarify how I read it George. When you say "I believe most of us on this forum agree with one of the following:"
The word "us" is inclusive of yourself which in my mind means you agree with the "us" on this forum.
lareli:
Why state what "most of us" believe anyway? What percentage of forum members regularly post on here? I wonder how many forum members do not have any opinion or concern about this topic at all? Man it really leaves a "churchy" feeling when people start speaking for others.
In the passage posted in the original post you included brackets with interpretations. False doctrines come in, not just when we cherry pick verses, but when we let others interpret scripture for us. And false doctrines thrive when we use "most of us believe" as proof of something being true.
Dennis Vogel:
George said:
To me at least, this is the bottom line - Is it possible for The Son to do all these Mighty Works of Creation, if His Father was not in Him? If you take The Father out of The Son, can The Son still do His Mighty Works?
I believe we all agree that 'The Father has Chosen His Beloved Son to do His Mighty Works'.
What you say here is true and this may be nitpicking. But when you said the Father did the creating that was a false statement and we have a duty to correct anything that is not true even if it seems small and inconsequential at the time. Sometimes a doctrine can take a different direction and lead to a false conclusion because of a tiny detour.
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Regarding clarification:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on October 11, 2017, 10:09:36 AM ---Just to clarify how I read it George. When you say "I believe most of us on this forum agree with one of the following:"
The word "us" is inclusive of yourself which in my mind means you agree with the "us" on this forum.
--- End quote ---
You are referring to the below:
I believe most of us on this forum agree with one of the following:
A. Our Creator is Our Heavenly Father who created all things through His only Begotten Son - who is the 'Firstborn'.
B. The Father and The Son always existed - and The Son was not created.
What I mean by the above is that I understand from previous Posts on this subject, that there are some on the Forum which believe either A or B - and perhaps, I should not have used the term 'most' - and I believe The Holy Scriptures confirm A.
Warmest Regards.
George
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