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John 8:12-58 - How Jesus answered His accusers
cheekie3:
largeli -
Thank you for pointing these things out:
--- Quote from: largeli on October 11, 2017, 10:31:24 AM ---Why state what "most of us" believe anyway? What percentage of forum members regularly post on here? I wonder how many forum members do not have any opinion or concern about this topic at all? Man it really leaves a "churchy" feeling when people start speaking for others.
In the passage posted in the original post you included brackets with interpretations. False doctrines come in, not just when we cherry pick verses, but when we let others interpret scripture for us. And false doctrines thrive when we use "most of us believe" as proof of something being true.
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I stand corrected.
Warmest Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Thank you for pointing this out:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on October 11, 2017, 11:17:48 AM ---George said:
To me at least, this is the bottom line - Is it possible for The Son to do all these Mighty Works of Creation, if His Father was not in Him? If you take The Father out of The Son, can The Son still do His Mighty Works?
I believe we all agree that 'The Father has Chosen His Beloved Son to do His Mighty Works'.
What you say here is true and this may be nitpicking. But when you said the Father did the creating that was a false statement and we have a duty to correct anything that is not true even if it seems small and inconsequential at the time. Sometimes a doctrine can take a different direction and lead to a false conclusion because of a tiny detour.
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Much appreciated, and accepted.
Warmest Regards.
George
cheekie3:
All -
Reposted without the square bracket wording:
I love this passage of The New Testament Scriptures, as it is full of the riches of His Wisdom:
John 8: 12-59: Amplified Bible (AMP)
12 Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, “I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.” 13 Then the Pharisees told Him, “You are testifying on Your own behalf; Your testimony is not valid.” 14 Jesus replied, “Even if I do testify on My own behalf, My testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge according to human standards. I do not judge anyone. 16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true and My decision is right; for I am not alone, but I and the Father who sent Me. 17 Even in your own law it is written that the testimony of two persons is true. 18 I am One who testifies about Myself, and My Father who sent Me testifies about Me.” 19 Then the Pharisees said to Him, “Where is this Father of Yours?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.” 20 Jesus said these things in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one seized Him, because His time had not yet come.
21 Then He said again to them, “I am going away, and you will look for Me, and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come.” 22 So the Jews were asking, “Will He kill Himself? Is that why He says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?” 23 He said to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. 24 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am the One, you will die in your sins.” 25 So they said to Him, “Who are You?” Jesus replied, “What have I been saying to you from the beginning? 26 I have many things to say and judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I say to the world the things that I have heard from Him.” 27 They did not realize that He was speaking to them about the Father. 28 So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know then that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own authority, but I say these things just as My Father taught Me. 29 And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.” 30 As He said these things, many believed in Him.
31 So Jesus was saying to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word you are truly My disciples. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been enslaved to anyone. What do You mean by saying, ‘You will be set free’?”
34 Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, everyone who practices sin habitually is a slave of sin. 35 Now the slave does not remain in a household forever; the son does remain forever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, then you are unquestionably free. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you plan to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I tell the things that I have seen at My Father’s side; so you also do the things that you heard from your father.”
39 They answered, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, then do the works of Abraham and follow his example. 40 But as it is, you want to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God. This is not the way Abraham acted. 41 You are doing the works of your father.” They said to Him, “We are not illegitimate children; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love and recognize Me, for I came from God and have arrived here. For I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you misunderstand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 Whoever is of God and belongs to Him hears God’s words; for this reason you do not hear them: because you are not of God and you are not in fellowship with Him.”
48 The Jews answered Him, “Are we not right when we say You are a Samaritan and have a demon?” 49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon. On the contrary, I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 However, I am not seeking glory for Myself. There is One who seeks and judges. 51 I assure you and most solemnly say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will indeed never, ever see and experience death.” 52 The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and also the prophets; yet You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never, ever taste of death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too! Whom do You make Yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing. It is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ 55 Yet you do not know Him, but I know Him fully. If I said I did not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day (My incarnation). He saw it and was delighted.” 57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not even fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus replied, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus concealed Himself and left the temple.
Warmest Regards.
George
santgem:
Many are called but few are chosen...... Yes is true!
When there is only God;
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me. Isa 43:10
I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior. Isa 43:11
...I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God. Isa 44:6
...Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one. Isa 44:8
...I am the LORD, Who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself. Isa 44:24
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me. Isa 45:5
That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isa 45:6
I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isa 45:18
And there is no God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me. Isa 45:21
For I am God, and there is no other. Isa 45:22
When God had a Son which is God;
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Jer 32:27Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Gal 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Dennis Vogel:
When God had a Son which is God;
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Psalm 22 ? what?
What is the point here Santem? Are you saying Psalm 22:? is talking about The Father and the Son?
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