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John 8:12-58 - How Jesus answered His accusers
John from Kentucky:
Turtles all the way down.
Dennis Vogel:
Okay, it's been 24 hours and no replies. But we all have minds of our own and different opinions. So a different question:
Jesus is our elder brother and we are all One with Him: Several translations of Hebrews 2:11
(ASV) For both he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
(CLV) For both He Who is hallowing and those who are being hallowed are all of One, for which cause He is not ashamed to be calling them brethren,
(Diaglott-NT) He both for sanctifying and those being sanctified out of one all; for which cause not he is ashamed brethren them to call,
(KJV) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
(Rotherham) For, both he that maketh holy, and they who are being made holy, are, all, of One; For which cause, he is not ashamed to be calling them, brethren,
(YLT) for both he who is sanctifying and those sanctified are all of one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
And we know we shall all be like Jesus:
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Question: We have minds of our own but does Jesus have a mind of His own? Or is God the Father and Jesus' mind one-and-the-same?
Dave in Tenn:
I think God the Father IS the "mind" of Jesus/Jehovah, since the question was asked that way.
But that's not scripture. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Jesus/Jehovah. That 'is' "scripture", though I don't know of a "verse" that says that directly. I'd be thrilled to discover two or three that did or said it better, but in the meantime it's scripture explaining scripture.
But in the meantime someone please explain how God the Father died. How did that work? I tried to reply last night, but the forum wouldn't come up. I can't answer with the wisdom of men. When Jesus/Jehovah died, he committed His Spirit to the Father. Not all of our deaths are so deliberate, but--passively, at least--that's what happens at our dying. His Spirit did not die. Soul died...same as us.
Jesus/Jehovah is the "intermediary" between God and Man. The Link between Spirit and the Physical universe (which is created out of Spirit). The physical universe fills all the descriptions/statements which Jesus said about Himself when speaking about this relationship spiritually. It receives nothing aside from Spirit. It doesn't do anything apart from Spirit. Etc. Spirit fills all the conditions Jesus said about the Father, spiritually. It's greater, etc.
We can't compare or think of "spirit" as a giant Caspar, the friendly ghost. Without Spirit, there isn't anything at all. In Him we live and move, and are.
Does that go beyond Ray? Maybe (and maybe not), but not far beyond, because he taught me (or verified to me) every littler thing that takes me 'here', and asked the right questions to stir the pot.
I'm still not "explaining" things. I don't understand "Spirit" completely--and can't. He IS unapproachable in the brightness of His glory, and no man has seen His face. ;) Except the One Who knows Him best--Who is in Him, and in Whom He is.
Same as us.
WNT 1Co 2:11 For, among human beings, who knows a man's inner thoughts except the man's own spirit within him? In the same way, also, only God's Spirit is acquainted with God's inner thoughts.
Musterseed:
Was BT down this morning? Wouldn't come up for hours. Any way I would like to address Dave about the statement I made about (Can two individuals be one God? yes)
These are Ray's exact words he used when discussing The Father and Son being one God. I was
directing the forum to the video Inherit the Kingdom. Did anyone watch it to verify the use of the word individuals? IN Christ... Pamela
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---I think God the Father IS the "mind" of Jesus/Jehovah, since the question was asked that way.
--- End quote ---
So are you saying they are one and the same? Jesus does not have a mind of his own? Yes or no please.
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