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angie:
Hi lightseeker
hope you had a productive day in the jail!
I wonder if I got you mixed up with someone else? [you not getting my teasing] Will check it out an send you a PM since to explain what I meant if you aren't who I thought you were since it would be convoluted and rather long otherwise. ;D But for now I need my bed. Soz. but I'm soooooo tired!
Angie
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Lightseeker on August 30, 2006, 03:47:28 PM ---Joe Post #5,
--- Quote ---“Did the speaker have any scriptural witnesses for his opinion that Adam spoke this first? It seems that this would constitute "a secondary word" wouldn't it?”
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I really don’t remember him giving any other scripture for the statement. Where does it say scripture has to be the second witness. For Pharoah it was two different dreams.
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Lightseeker,
My reply was in response to your statement.
Joe
Lightseeker:
Joe,
Biblically speaking, does the bible say two scriptural references for doctrine?
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation
Is this verse saying you need two verses to make a doctrine? To me this verse is saying that the person who receives the personal inspiration from God to write scripture, doesn’t necessarily have the total understanding to preach his interpretation of that scripture. An example of this principle is Paul scriptural teaching on marriage: He doesn’t know, for sure, if he is even giving correct advice concerning that scripture which he wrote (verse below) . Am I reading it correctly? I know for me personally, scripture that meant one thing years ago, as far as life application, means something else today. But both understandings met my need at the time. Does that make sense? Have you had that experience?
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1CO 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
This is the application that comes to me with regard to 2 Peter 1:20. If I get a revelation, as to some truth that is in the bible, and I share that with someone else, whose spirit also bears witness to that truth, isn't it possible that God is speaking things that are pertinent for us today? Things which may not have been pertinent for those living before today. Didn’t Jesus even say He would send the Holy Spirit to teach things the apostles which they couldn’t bear at that particular time? (Joh 16:12-13)
Why can’t we be getting a fresh word today which isn’t even in the bible!!! Who said the bible is the ‘closed’ word of God?….Man did…not scripture! If I’m wrong correct me....with two verses ;D As far as I know, scripture only closed one book/vision in the NT and that was The Revelation. And one OT vision was sealed...Daniel 8:26.
--- Quote ---TRUTH NUMBER 6
“[A] "…that in the mouth of TWO OR THREE WITNESSES every word may be established" (Matt. 18:16).”
(B) "…In the mouth of TWO OR THREE WITNESSES shall every word be established" (II Cor. 13:1).
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Aren't both of these references talking about judging someone for sin…and not for establishing doctrine. Doesn't the scripture have to be read in context to make doctrine out of it?
--- Quote ---[C] "And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES…" (Rev. 11:3).
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What is God giving the two witnesses? According to scripture it is prophesy.
REV 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy...
4395 propheteuo: to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office
Do you believe we have prophets today? Are they only supposed to quote 2,000+ yr. old scripture? And from two scriptural sources to boot if revealing the truth concerning old/new doctrine?
Joe, I’m not wanting to argue, but I do challenge all…including my pastor. Believe me, I’ve challenged him to the point of angry frustration (him not me). But you know why I’m still in that church? Because God hasn’t called me out of it, and pastor hasn’t kicked me out. Why hasn’t he? He’s admitted to me, “Dee you love God and you’re used of God.” He says it as the final word concerning our admitted differences. I love and respect him for that, and have the same feeling toward him.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Lightseeker on August 31, 2006, 08:40:49 PM ---
Do you believe we have prophets today? Are they only supposed to quote 2,000+ yr. old scripture? And from two scriptural sources to boot if revealing the truth concerning old/new doctrine?
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Dee,
I believe your statement pretty much sums up our differences, perhaps I have not reached your level of enlightenment. Maybe you see some guy at a retreat spouting unscriptural supposition as prophetic, I see it as heresy.
Here is what that "2000 + year old" scripture has to say in regard to your statement;
Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
You have demonstrated that the articles on Bible Truths do not carry much weight with you and your beliefs, it begs the question; Why are you here?
Please give us an honest answer,
Joe
angie:
Hi Joe
--- Quote ---Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
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I believe that brings us full circle to the original question of why would Eve the use the additional words "...NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT"
Maybe it was a shadow? :-\
Angie
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