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kill or don't kill - does God change?
eggi:
I haven't yet commented on this thread (anyway I can't remember commenting on it), but I've been reading it with great interest. God changes NOT, this we know. He has never changed His mind about anything, because if God changed His mind in the middle of history, He could not have been sovereign, because then something would have happened that he didn't foresee. So, this is not the real topic here, as we all know and understand the subject of sovereignity.
The real question, in my opinion, is: Did God give a perfect law in the law of Moses? There are many scriptures that say that the law of Moses is not perfect, Jesus Christ makes this clear:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:17-20 KJV)
The law of Moses was good for its cause:
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Gal 3:24 KJV)
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (Rom 3:19-21 KJV)
Paul is saying that now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, and that it's witnessed by the law and the prophets. Indeed "all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition" (1Co 10:11 KJV). Now does this mean that the law of Moses was perfect? It did witness to the righteousness of God, didn't it?
It's far from perfect:
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Rom 2:28-29 KJV)
The things of the law of Moses weren't even the real thing! Jesus Christ destroyed this law:
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; (Eph 2:15 KJV)
Why did Jesus destroy it? Wasn't it perfect?
Yes, it was perfect ACCORDING to God's PLAN. It was, however, like Joe has pointed out, the REALITY of the work going on. In order to know sin, we must pass through the law. Why? Because the law is not GOOD, it's only GOOD for a cause. Or, following Joe's analogy, it's not GOOD to tear down a house, unless you want to build a new one. The tearing down of the house isn't GOOD either.
The law of Moses was the schoolmaster and a shadow of good things to come. When you have used it, then you don't need it anymore. God even admits that the statutes in the law of Moses weren't good:
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; (Eze 20:25 KJV)
Behold thou art a Jew and restest in the law and makest your boast of God and knowest his will and approvest the things that are more excellent being instructed out of the law; and art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. (Rom 2:17-20 KJV)
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Hebrews 10:1 KJV)
Therefore, God in His wisdom, has done it this way, and there is no other way to do it, because there has to be a contrast!
Deborah-Leigh:
AMEN! :D
rocky:
The law is Holy and spiritual. The problem is man's carnal mind and the law of sin and death within man's members that gets activated when it tries to obey the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Holy:
G40
ἅγιος
hagios
hag'-ee-os
From ἅγος hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint.
Just:
G1342
δίκαιος
dikaios
dik'-ah-yos
From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively): - just, meet, right (-eous).
Good:
G18
ἀγαθός
agathos
ag-ath-os'
A primary word; “good” (in any sense, often as noun): - benefit, good (-s, things), well. Compare G2570.
Spiritual
G4152
πνευματικός
pneumatikos
phyoo-mat-ik-os'
From G4151; non-carnal, that is, (humanly) ethereal (as opposed to gross), or (daemoniacally) a spirit (concretely), or (divinely) supernatural, regenerate, religious: - spiritual. Compare G5591.
Is this law talked of here, different than the law of Moses??
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 08, 2007, 08:20:35 PM ---AMEN! :D
--- End quote ---
Erik, that was an inspiring post and I happily second Arcturus in saying AMEN!! :)
Love to my family in Christ,
Darren
Kat:
I found this in Ray email's.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1908.0.html ------------
Murder?
« on: September 17, 2006, 08:14:15 AM »
Dear Ray,
Why did God command Israel to murder in the OT despite the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill"? Didnt Jesus say, "love your enemies"?
Thanks for everything, God has truly blessed me through your site. Hope to hear from you soon God bless.
Joed
Dear Joed:
You have it completely backwards: God commanded Israel to "kill" their enemies, however, the seventh commandment is "thou shalt not MURDER." The same holds for the New Tesament commandment (Matt. 5:21). The translators didn't quite get that one right. God used his physical nation of Israel to Judge the heathens in the land of Canaan, where as in the future God will use his Spiritual Nation of Israel to Judge the whole word system of Babylon the Great.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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